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Uber was a mistake. Shut it down.

The police should be banned from using AI in any form


The Judiciary's New Clothes

the police should also be banned from using google, reddit and youtube.

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but they should at least be aware of the credibility of information sources they're using to making professional decisions upon. Your world gets very small if you can only gather information that you see with your own eyes, but they do need to validate things they "learn" from Google/FB/Reddit/Youtube/non-official sources. I was unimpressed by the chief's letter:

> In preparation for the force response to the HMICFRS inquiry into this matter, on Friday afternoon I became aware that the erroneous result concerning the West Ham v Maccabi Tel Aviv match arose as result of a use of Microsoft Co Pilot[sic]. Both ACC O’Hara and I had, up until Friday afternoon, understood that the West Ham match had only been identified through the use of Google.

My 3rd grader knows better than to do research based solely on a Google summary snippet, and even understands that just because a linked article under the search agrees with the search that this doesn't mean it's true.

I would have expected that if the chief's staff were investigating rumors of a riot in a stadium 3 hours away, they'd call their counterparts at the police station in that location to get police reports from the incident.

They have trivial access to those official reports. They shouldn't be reliant on journalists sensationalizing, and opining the events for their news articles. They shouldn't be reliant on a search engine that exists to sell ads for those news organizations. They certainly shouldn't trust "Co Pilot" to figure out what may or may not have happened! It seems obvious to me that the tool could happily generate a police report from whole cloth.



this is true of many fields.

everyone else too

Just wait till the UK police decide to outsource social media Wrong Think detection to LLM's.

They are likely already doing it

What nuance is missing? The above comment is a list of facts.


Lists of facts don’t inherently constitute a nuanced take.


Yes, but they do constitute an accurate one.

The point here is that the people currently in charge hold 100% of the power, and they're misusing it. You don't have any power, nor do I, nor do the poor American citizens who may or may not be executed.

They, the people in power, do not require your good will or help. They're already maxed out. They are already 100% legitimate and in control. While it might be nuanced to argue ICE as an institution is one which should exist, it's also just doing more harm.


Do their boots taste good?

Just because you are nice to the oppressors, doesn't mean they won't come for you too.


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You can when they are wearing a mask and a gun and are trying to pull you out of your car. It’s called self defense.


By this logic anybody could legally kill a police officer trying to arrest them.


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Nothing you've said justifies her murder. Absolutely nothing.


I think they know exactly what they were doing with the naming. They were and are absolutely ok with the evil connotations and uses


Because this is what capital has told us. Capital always wants to reduce the labour cost to $0.


If labor cost is close to $0, even more businesses that weren’t viable before would become viable.

Do you not see the logic?


Demand is the driver not only the cost.


Not true. Sell a $0.50 coffee next to Starbucks with the same quality and it will drive demand. Lower prices drive demand.


So, more people will start drinking coffee all together or same amount of people will be redistributed across Starbucks and my new fancy espresso bar?


More people will drink coffee if it’s cheaper and some people from Starbucks will order from you now.

It’s not controversial economics that lower prices drive more demand.


Economics 101, right? Since developing software, writing the technical documentation, and exercising QA became all of the sudden 1000x cheaper than it was a year ago, how come we don't see the substantial increase in demand of software/QA/doc engineers then? I see the opposite happening right now, e.g. many people losing their jobs to $30/month AI model.

ai is bad because it's automated his job. luddites in tech. a real contradiction


Not really a contradiction, since the entire point of jobs and the economy at all is to serve the specific needs of humanity and not to maximize paper clip production. If we should be learning anything from the modern era it's something that should have always been obvious: the Luddites were not the bad guys. The truth is you've fallen for centuries old propaganda. Hopefully someday you'll evolve into someone who doesn't carry water for paperclip maximizers.


Luddites are a consistent problem regardless of domain. Planck's principle was born in physics.


Zero labor cost should see the number of engineers trend towards infinity. The earlier comment suggested the opposite — that it would fall to just 1000 engineers. That would indicate that the cost of labor has skyrocketed.


That doesn't make sense. Demand isn't entirely dictated by cost. There is only so much productivity the world is equipped to consume.


What difference does that make? If the cost of an engineer is zero, they can work on all kinds of nonsensical things that will never be used/consumed. It doesn't really matter as it doesn't cost anything.


I'm kinda baffled by your suggestion. That's just not how people or organizations run by people operate. Cost is not the only driver to demand.


> That's just not how people or organizations run by people operate.

Au contraire. It's not very often that the cost of labor actually drops to anywhere close to zero, but we have some examples. The elevator operator is a prime example. When it was costly to hire an operator we could only hire a few of them. Nowadays anyone who is willing to operate an elevator just has to show up and they automatically get the job.

If 1,000 engineers are worth having around, why not an infinite number of them, just like those working as elevator operators? Again, there is no cost in this hypothetical scenario.

> Cost is not the only driver to demand.

Technically true, but we're not talking about garbage here. Humans are always valuable to some degree, just not necessarily valuable enough when there is a cost to balance. But, again, we're talking about zero cost. I expect you are getting caught up in thinking about scenarios where labor still has a cost, perhaps confusing zero cost with zero payroll?


I'm not sure there is much worth in imitating a Roman Emperor. They were violent megalomaniacal psychopaths to a man. There is little, about Marcus as a human being, I would consider "successful". Just because he was a good Emperor doesn't mean he was a morally successful person.

To me, successful "mind hacks" help us become more success at being better people; not enabling a horrible empire.

Of course the final word on Marcus should go to Mary Beard, the best classist of her generation:

--->“I have never understood what people get out of him. It’s a bad book. It’s hard to argue about it — it’s so evidently garbage that it’s hard to sit down with somebody who doesn’t think it’s garbage and fight it out. He’s a terrible writer."


I'm definitely not a classicist, but I think it's unfair to criticize his writing abilities too much. He wasn't writing a book for others as I understand it, it was his personal diaries. EDIT: also most people are reading a translation, so there's another layer of editorial in there.


Given the documented behavior of ICE that is clearly false. They arrest people here legally all the time, torturing them.


Institute for Justice is representing a handful of citizens suing ICE for arresting them anyway


ICE should be disbanded and most of its leadership jailed for their crimes.


I won’t be shocked if the next president includes defunding ICE as a major campaign promise.


Yeah by whom?


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Lol, no. NATO stopped the Genocide from Serbia, helps protect Ukraine against Genocide from Ruzzia and protected Europe from russian invasion and loss of human freedoms for many decades. NATO is a net positive for all of Humanity.

And my country (unfortunately) isnt even in NATO.


It's the UN that stopped the Serbs.


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No, NATO bombing lifted the Sarajevo siege (and killed ~500 civilians), and since the conflict lasted less than 3 weeks after that, saying 'initiating further conflicts on former Yugoslavian lands' is factually wrong.

My non-explicit point was that the Serbs were stopped by the UN peacekeepers, who stopped the advance and _a lot_ of rapes (which seemed to be the Serb army favourite tactic against civilians for some reason). NATO bombing did lift the siege and is said to have stopped the war, which is technically the truth but not really: basically the Serbs couldn't advance and tried to settle for a land grab. NATO bombing prevented the land grab, but the war would have stopped the moment Sarajevo's siege ended. Was the Serb internal political pressure enough to stop the siege (thus the war) around the same time it ended anyway? Impossible to know.


Oh no. Maybe dont start a genocide then you won't get bombed.


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Earlier today, an ICE officer murdered a woman, a story that's kind of dominated the news cycle today.


I think they may get away with it. Our head-of-state is already describing it as an act of self-defense.


The president can do jack shit to stop a state prosecution, one of the blessed advantages of federalism.


That may be the case, I am not an expert in law. I hope there is some type of repercussion for the cop that point-blanks a random driver.

I just don't hold much faith in the separation of power between state and federal government, it sounds like there has been a massive erosion of this barrier since the civil war and the abuse of the commerce clause and all that.


A cop did not do this, an ice agent did. It might sound trivial, but it very much isn’t when it comes to prosecution in this circumstance.


this is not true. why is this upvoted? first of all, ICE is federal. second, they were acting as part of "federal official" duties. it will be trivial to move any state prosecution to federal court.


Federal officers aren't immune from state prosecution just because they're federal officers, or because they're doing their federal duties at the moment. They also have to be acting in accord with their federal duties. See, e.g., https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/are-federal-officials-i... (although that's not in response to the current incident).

They will certainly attempt to dismiss any charges, but they are far from guaranteed that they will be successful.


They’re literally on camera doing ice work (prior to the killing), virtually guaranteed it’ll count.


That doesn't matter. It's not enough that they were doing their job beforehand, their actions at stake have to comport with their actual duties.

So is it part of their official duties to walk in front of a car of someone who is trying to leave the scene, alter their path when the car turns out of the way to ensure they remain in their way, and then shoot the driver? Or is that merely the kind of excessive force that's in contravention of their training and not part of their job role?


Watch the video, it’s obvious. The person was stopped as part of an ice directive.


Maybe he cuts their federal funding by $10Bn until they drop the charge. Seems to be roughly the playbook.


They definitely get away with it. To be punished requires:

1. Prosecution. US wont because of trump. State might not because of some threat from trump.

2. Proof beyond reasonable doubt. Video can make case for self defence so bar is high.

3. No presidential pardon.


1. Minnesota will absolutely prosecute, Walz has already announced a criminal investigation.

2. We'll let the jury decide but ICE is specifically trained not to shoot at moving vehicles and not to approach them from the front.

3. The president can't pardon someone convicted of murder in a state court, he can only pardon people convicted of federal crimes.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99knmrx71go

"Minnesota officials say FBI blocked their access to ICE shooting probe"


Not at all unexpected given Trump's sycophants are heading the FBI. Luckily Minnesota is moving forward with their own independent review:

https://www.startribune.com/hennepin-county-prosecutor-attor...


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Do you think these are good ideas?


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Please watch the video. That officer wasn’t close to danger, her wheels were pointed away from the officer


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Okay so you agree she was trying to drive away and not trying to hit an officer. You think the correct response is immediate extrajudicial murder? You can’t be serious.


I watched the video too. Not sure what a 33 min Asmongold stream(your link) has to do with it. Does he add some valuable analysis? What's his authority or expertise on the matter?


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Thanks. I wonder why parent commenter likes and trusts him to interpret a killing on video. Weird.


Nope. Stop spreading lies please, cmxch.


Was it an ICE officer or national guard member?


ICE officer. What a bizarre question to ask.


Not at all bizarre. The national guard has been deployed in several areas of the country to assist ICE.


There's a lot going on so it can be difficult to keep track of, but the Supreme court made Trump call the NG back from the states he had deployed them in.


shot and killed - they haven't even been charged, let alone arraigned for murder yet (they would definitely get not guilty for that - manslaughter at worst given the cirumstances).


They will 100% be charged with murder.


they can be charged with anything, but there's no way this guy is convicted of murder.

anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention to the hundreds of analogous situations that have been happening to blacks.

literally just look it up, the exact scenario has already played out before. cop gets off. and I mean literally exact scenario - with two cops, one in front, one to the side, driver (black) tries to drive off, front cop shoots and kills the black guy, is convicted, and acquitted. seriously, look it up.

George Zimmerman stalked Treyvon Martin, shot and killed him and was still acquitted. you think this guy is going to be convicted really?


Derek Chauvin was convicted of murdering George Floyd, which was a decade after the George Zimmerman/Treyvon Martin case.

I wouldn't put the chance of a conviction here at 100%, but it's certainly well above 0%.


? the chauvin case wasn't the same at all. he choked flyod needlessly for 10 minutes. completely unnecessary and good that chauvin was convicted. I follow these cases since I'm part of a police justice group - I've never seen a case similar to what happened here where the officer was convicted. there's just too much precedent that if a car is going towards you the officer is justified in shooting

if you have an example of a similar situation where the cop is convicted I am very very interested.


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Trying to stop a moving vehicle by standing in front of it is a) dumb, b) not what law enforcement is trained to do. It will be argued that it's not the case the officer had no better choice.


Yes, our justice system is outright broken since the Supreme Council handed obscene amounts of power to a wannabe dictator, putting him and his Stasi above the law. But that doesn't mean We The People cannot call it like it is - murder.


No. The Constitution is the law, and everyone working for this regime is an anti-American traitor. I'm pretty sure the terror squads are wearing masks because if we could identify them, we would see most have been drawn from so-called "patriot" militias [0] and let loose to attack American cities under the color of law (which apparently now includes executing citizens).

[0] the naming of which also turned out to be another lie, surprise surprise


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I am an American, I just don't believe this idea that the law has anything to do with principles or a hard code of rules. That just isn't what I observe in practice, unless the enforcers of the law happen to be totally neutral to the conflict at hand.

The law is enforced based on the general feelings of the people in power, and they will bend principles to punish/reward those that they perceive to be "bad" and "good" accordingly, based on their prejudices.

The idea that "might makes right" is sort of a tautology. What you consider to be right is based on a historical precedent set by the mighty.


Anything bad for Wall Street is generally good for the rest of us.


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