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I like to make these kinds of mock ups using https://asciiflow.com. Some of the components from the article paste nicely there.

Monodraw is a champ as well. Stand alone and outputs to graphic or text file. Easy to feed to other people or artificial people.

https://cascii.app many more features :)

Sounds cool, what's a good player?

We generally encourage people to buy a NetMD device as their first player, so they can simply drag-and-drop music onto disks via USB. Probably any working machine, except an Sony N1 or Sony N10.

https://www.minidisc.wiki/guides/getting-started/what-to-get


I'm going to continue learning Rust by working on my TUI IRC client. I'd like to make some, any, contribution to keeping IRC alive. It was such a big part of my formative years!


This all sounds great, how does this merge enable these things? I'm not very familiar with streaming or how this would work.

Edit: I see there is some info at: https://obsproject.com/kb/whip-streaming-guide


Yea it shows up in the UI. Sorry I am so wrapped up in it I don’t know how to explain it well.

What part did I do a bad job at explaining? The what it does, why it’s exciting or just the enabling it?


I don't understand how adding WebRTC/Whip enables the bullet points you listed. Is the idea that we'll transcode locally and because of that, we can set up a cheap host? How does this impact the level of hardware we'll need locally?

Thanks for taking the time to answer.


Pretty much! You are doing multiple encodes lately.

Yes you will use more bandwidth/compute locally. In the future I hope to support SVC so you have zero bandwidth overage.


I have one of these. It's only 'ok'. There is significant ghosting and it's not very good when the scene is dark, but it's much better than my BOOX tablet. I just got it so I'm still experimenting with different uses.

Here's a clip of it playing video: https://youtu.be/povlk3hKTVA


I had no idea such a thing existed, thanks - did you need to install anything to get it working or does it just plug and go like a normal monitor?


It functions like a normal monitor. It connected to my Macbook air (M2) and Windows machine without installing anything. It has a USB-C video port, but an HDMI->USB-C converter works too. It has an 1872x1404 (4:3) resolution, which is why I used Miami Vice for the video. It would not connect to my PS5, which I think comes down to the PS5 only supporting 16:9/21:9.


Wow that’s far more impressive than I expected. I want a laptop with this for programming…


On the product page "Linux is not supported"... What a bummer!


Thanks for all the discussion here. I use cloudflared to proxy a bunch of small sites I serve from home. I will take a look a other solutions mentioned in this thread.


How is the app triggered? There is a graphic that makes it seem like the app can detect impulse buys:

iPhone 16 Pro Max $1,625 IMPULSE DETECTED

I think this is a good idea I'm just not convinced I would manually interrupt my impulse buys to pull up the app to stop my impulse buys. How does the app introduce friction to the purchase process?


For the time being, the "IMPULSE DETECTED" graphic is more of a conceptual representation than a real-time detection function.

The app currently depends on you manually recording a "impulse moment," which is essentially any time you catch yourself on the verge of making an unnecessary purchase. The idea is to create just enough friction to get you to stop doing things automatically. Launch the app → input the item → feel the 24-hour timer and let work-hours cost hit you → ideally, choose to skip and "pay yourself" instead.

Having said that, I'm evaluating out potential future integrations because many users have requested automatic impulse detection or more intelligent nudges.

So short answer: currently user-triggered, future versions will make that trigger smarter and more automatic.

Really appreciate you asking. This kind of feedback helps me prioritise what to build next


That is cool! I like the look of this one too: https://andreifomin.itch.io/effulgence


Ooh, that's actually the game I had in mind!

It's so much more impressive. Those 3D effects are just insane. Just look at that 3D globe.


That’s sick af


I would love to see how insane a 10-14 hour Dune movie would be. No intermission I'm sure.


SciFi did a miniseries, just before or just after they changed their name. It wasn't bad. I think it was about 10 hours.

The problem is that a lot of the payoff is at the end of book 3, and then book four tips the whole thing upside down with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for.

I'm always a little surprised how few people have read Dune relative to Lord of the Rings, but the more I think about Dune the more I get it.


I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough.

Special effects don't make a movie anymore. What matters is plot (and music). For example, "Colossus the Forbin Project" is very good. Some other very good scifi movies:

. Invaders from Mars

. Flash Gordon (1980)

. Terminator

. Star Wars IV

. Alien


> I don't understand all the love for Dune. I read it, it was ok, and that was it. 3 underwhelming film adaptations is more than enough.

It's the Count of Monte Cristo meets Star Wars, with great world building, pretty good plot and characters and a lot of interesting philosophy, sociology, strategy and tactics. What's not to love?

The scifi miniseries was decent. The 1984 one was...barely Dune, though I enjoyed it. The current one is the first really good adaptation IMO, I don't think it's overrepresented at all.


You should read the count of monte cristo, it’s in an entirely different league in terms of writing compared to Dune. The philosophy is transparent, the tactics and strategy are basically nonexistent, and the sociology is missing any kind of coherence.


In your second sentence, which book are you referring to?


Dune.


I have read it. Yeah it is a better book, but there's few that measure up.

Dune isn't as bad as you imply IMO. To each their own though. It probably helped that I read Dune for the first time when I was young.


The irony of Dumas is that his father's life is almost more interesting than any of the plots of his books


1984 Dune was enjoyable as a bonkers Lynch movie, less so as a Dune adaptation.

I actually credit the 1984 Dune with turning me on to Lynch.


1984 Dune was also kinda legit decent for the first 40 minutes or so. It gets pretty bad after Paul meets Chani.


Kinda strange considering its movie that turned him away from making big movies. He hates the final version, was not allowed to the cutting room and the studio basically tried to make very different much more pop shorter vision with material Lynch shot.

I think there are still rumors about him having/making directors cut that could happen. That would surely be very dofferent movie.


1984 Dune captured the strangeness of that universe in a way the modern version does not.


I agree so much. The new dune is expertly made but it washed of so much of the trippy stuff from books. Even the aesthetics are playing it on the very safe side.

Then again this is the directors style. It would be probably end up worse if they would bend too much out of their comfort zone.


While Dune can certainly stand on its own as a great work, it's best appreciated as a critical response to the utopic techno-determinism of Asimov's Foundation series. The discourse between these two series contains some of the most interesting ideas ever penned in science fiction. I think you'd need to read at least the first three Foundation books and the first four Dune books to get a handle on it, but this is a good primer: https://www.oreilly.com/tim/herbert/ch05.html


The main difference is that Foundation is great and Dune is mediocre.


The great thing is that many people think exactly the opposite.

Dune is in many ways antithesis of Foundation. And in makes sense being written after it.


Have you tried to show Flash Gordon to anyone?

It has not gone well for me. I think it's just our special little thing.


> It has not gone well for me

And here we find a rare ray of hope for humanity. People realizing that just because something is old doesn’t automatically make it a classic.


FG laid an egg when it first came out. Over time, FG seems to have gained quite a following and is now a classic.

The usual criticism is it's too over the top, too campy. But they miss the point - it was supposed to be over the top and campy.

The dialog is still funny after 40+ years:

    Klytus: Bring me... the bore worms!
    Princess Aura: No! Not the bore worms!
The movie is just crammed with gems like that. It should have won an Oscar for best screenplay.


I'm not sure I understand why you find those lines particularly comedic. Campy? Most definitely. They also don't really work out of context, so I sat down and watched the actual scene and well... they're still not a particularly funny line, and I don't think the scene is meant to be funny. Are you suggesting that they're intentionally hamming it up? Honestly, I can't even tell if this point.

Wikipedia seems to support this theory as well:

"Lorenzo Semple Jr. wrote the script. He later recalled:

Dino wanted to make Flash Gordon humorous. At the time, I thought that was a possible way to go, but, in hindsight, I realize it was a terrible mistake. We kept fiddling around with the script, trying to decide whether to be funny or realistic. That was a catastrophic thing to do, with so much money involved... I never thought the character of Flash in the script was particularly good. But there was no pressure to make it any better. Dino had a vision of a comic-strip character treated in a comic style. That was silly, because Flash Gordon was never intended to be funny. The entire film got way out of control."

It seems like the kind of show that would fit well in mystery science theater though. This is likely just one of those things that is more of a time capsule, or a period piece, it's likely very difficult for people who grew up watching this type of show to be able to objectively have an opinion about it without nostalgia creeping in.

Personally, I can't fathom thinking the 1980s Flash Gordon was a good movie while the 1980s Dune movie was not.


> Are you suggesting that they're intentionally hamming it up?

Oh, absolutely. They're making fun of the inherent silliness of the Flash Gordon serials.

Another gem is the priest at the wedding:

    "Do you promise not to blast her into space?"
    [Ming gives him a warning look]
    "Until such time as you may grow weary of her?"


It was supposed to be an acting vehicle for a football player. It's so camp.

But it also has Max von Sydow in it, and Brian Blessed is every bit as over the top as he is in season 1 of Black Adder.

It occupies much the same genre as Big Trouble in Little China and the Evil Dead movies. If you're looking for something deep, you're in the wrong place.


> It was supposed to be an acting vehicle for a football player.

The complete ridiculousness is Flash plays it deadpan straight with all the emotion of two by four, while everyone else goes berserk.

It's a turnabout from such things as a Groucho Marx movie, where Groucho has all the funny lines and everyone else plays it straight.


Never heard of "Colossus the Forbin Project". Read about the plot in wikipedia and it does seem interesting. I know what I'll be watching tonight!


Enjoy!

It came out the same time as 2001, and was eclipsed and forgotten.

Best line: "5 years of Caltech in 5 minutes!"

Colossus, although released in 1969, is particularly relevant today.


    I read it, it was ok, and that was it.
There are some fun themes in there and I appreciate that it begins as a somewhat typical "hero's journey" tale and then turns that whole idea inside out. I like the intrigue and plotting and how various factions are always plotting several steps ahead.

But none of that is why I absolutely love Dune (the novel). For me it just has this vibe that I've never been able to explain.

Maybe that's why I like it: because I can't even figure out why I like it.

Anyway, that's all crazy subjective and I can easily see why many are not enchanted by it.


Strange choices. ESB is in almost every way a much better film than Star Wars. T2 much better than T1. Aliens better than Alien.

I haven't seen the other two, bet I'll just assume they also have better sequels.


Star Wars: I saw it the day after it was released. It was groundbreaking in every way. Nobody had seen anything like it before. It just blew everybody away. ESB just did not have the impact SW did.

T1 was very focused. Again, nobody had seen anything like it before. The terminator stayed true to form in its relentless purpose, summed up in Reese's little speech. T2 rehashed the same plot, adding an asperger sidekick robot for comic relief. (I thought Harlan Ellison was way off base claiming that T1 was stolen from him.)


T2 much better than T1. Aliens better than Alien.

These are great sequels, but they are Hollywood action movies compared to their predecessors. I do prefer ESB, but Star Wars has better structure and a more satisfying ending, so it is close.

The best thing about ALien is that when it came out, you had no idea who the "hero" was in the crew. Tom Skerritt was the biggest star, had first billing, and was the white male captain. There was no expectation the someone else would be the hero and survivor.


The dorm I was in saw it on the first day. We had no idea what was coming. It was a total shocker!


You have terrible taste.


And you have to let everybody know just how bad you think Dune is, in the most snarky and belittling way possible. Seriously, every reply of yours on this entire topic is combative.

Have you considered what your agenda here is, and whether you’re participating in this discussion in good faith?


Oof, looks like I touched a nerve. I’m providing a measured response to the unexamined breathless enthusiasm for mediocre writing. I’ve had to talk lots of people into reading a second sci-fi series because they started with Dune and decided that the genre isn’t worth it.

Dune is fine. But people need to re-read it as adults or something before extolling it’s virtues from the rooftops as they do in this thread.

You should consider that you feeling attacked is as much about you as it is about me.


I’m not feeling attacked, and didn’t say I was. I'm just sorry for the folks you’re responding to.

Edit to clarify: for the precise reason that “you have terrible taste” is ad hominem, and contributes nothing to the discussion. This isn’t appreciated on HN.

I think if you worked on your delivery you might find folks have different reception to your ideas.


I might give your words some weight if it wasn’t for the great big pile of upvotes on my comments. I like that reception just fine, but thanks I guess?

If they have an issue they are welcome to raise it, no need to go white knighting people.


Yes, my goodness, you have so many upvotes. That's why your karma is sky-high and your comments are towards the bottom of every thread.

But I know a lost cause when I see one, and you live by comparison. Wish you the best with that.


Alien(s) - FTFY ;)


I enjoy Aliens—it's the bigger, more over-the-top production of the two.

But I prefer Alien for its intimacy and slowly growing horror. John Hurt's character's arc stunned me as a child, and is still one of my favorite turns of storytelling. I love the set design and overall tone of the movie. It's a different space mood than other space movies. And it nails that feeling of being hunted on a spaceship (so far as I would know).


There’s so much good dialog in Aliens that I’m always amazed was written in the mid 80s and would play just as well if it were new today (mostly spoken by Hudson): “Game over, man!”, “yeah, but it’s a dry heat”, “ Somebody said "alien" she thought they said ‘illegal alien’ and signed up!”


Aliens is more of a vanilla monster movie than scifi. I don't recall any science in it, other than the setting.

Alien was based on a short story in "Voyage of the Space Beagle", though the implementation of it was fresh. The discovery and exploration of the alien's life cycle was good scifi.


    I don't recall any science in it
Can't agree with you there. I think even Cameron would be the first to say that Aliens is primarily a thrill ride. But it is also objectively true that at least two hard scifi elements provide the scaffolding for the events of the movie.

Two of the most central themes of the movie were fairly hard sci-fi... although admittedly one of them was nearly entirely deleted from the theatrical cut.

One: What would a person experience after decades of hibernation? In many ways the film revolves around or is set in motion by Ripley's extended cryosleep after Alien. She is now alone in a strange world where her skills are no longer relevant or current. This primes her for manipulation by Burke. She has also missed out on her deceased daughter's entire life, which primes her to think of Newt as a surrogate daughter and protect her with a mother's ferocity. (Unfortunately, the exposition about her daughter was removed from the theatrical cut. Huge miss.)

Two: How would mankind react to alien contact? Would we treat it with ontological reverence or would it be business as usual for warmongering corporations? The second half of the movie is set in motion by Burke doing the latter on behalf of Weyland-Yutani.

The terraforming stuff.... yeah I agree it's just a setting.


You do raise some good points. I never thought those issues were the central theme of the movie - just a setup for, for lack of a better term, a bug hunt.


Science fiction doesn’t imply science being in it.

>fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.


Aliens isn't much more than NYC with monsters in the sewers, with a different backdrop. It was ok and I didn't feel like it was a waste of time, but that's about it.

I definitely expect more from scifi to be scifi.


I don't know if that bit of dialogue was in the original script, but it is pretty much the story of how the actress Jenette Goldstein went to audition for the movie - she thought it would be about immigrants (she was one herself, an American in the UK).


Agreed, the dialog had some good laughs. When Paxton asks Gomez "did anyone ever think you were a man?" and she replied "no, did anyone think that of you?" A comeback worthy of Winston Churchill.


If you've read only the first book, you've only read the prelude to what people love.

However, considering what you recommend, I doubt it would be something you'd enjoy.


Not GP, but I think I made it to about 20 pages into the third book before giving up. I actually enjoyed the first book, but it just got more ponderous as it went on. And this was around the same time I read the Foundation series by Asimov, so I didn't necessarily need at pot-boiler.


I'm not sure if one of us misunderstood "pot-boiler" but Dune is surely no popcorn entertainment. It felt ponderous because its author invests much time into the development of characters, philosophy and politics. It's not for everybody, but it surely is not a pot-boiler.


I do have all the books, but never started reading the sequels.


I wouldn't consider them just "sequels" of the first one. As I said, the first book introduces the world. The story itself spans over an immense time.

I was only talking about the books written by Frank Herbert btw.


I don't know if you've convinced me to read them, but thanks for the telling me something I didn't know.


Actually, I didn't want to convince you to read them. It was the opposite. I don't think you'd like it based upon your recommendations above.


It’s a cargo cult. Dune itself is pretty standard sci-fi. The sequels are where it goes from good to great. People deify the first one because they think that’s where the great reputation comes from, not understanding that the really interesting stuff is in the later books. I mean, the giant worm-man, the endless clones experiencing existential dread, and the trans stuff all come after book 2 and really after book 3.


I've only read the series once, >20 years ago, but I thought the opposite. To me it started out good but ended weird and stupid (I admit I remember almost no details though, so can only give the impression I'm left with). I've read other books I thought much better than any of them though.


I couldn't make it after the second book, Dune Messiah. But I enjoyed the games, especially the RTS, the miniseries and the recent movie which is quite good.


Say what you will about the plot for the 2021 film, but you absolutely cannot argue that the music in it was bad.


I think character development matters a hell of a lot more than plot.


Just watched Colossus yesterday. Quite enjoyable.


All of those are popcorn. Even Alien - which is a jump scare creature feature expanded with some token politics and superb horror aesthetics. And Star Wars, which is a fantasy for ten year olds in space (according to George Lucas), but with ground-breaking special effects.

Dune - the book - is not popcorn. The series is probably the most brutally surgical examination of power, politics, religion, and economics ever to appear in print.

There are giant worms and weird drugs and such, but they're all metaphors.

If you're looking for the literary equivalent of CGI, that's very much not what it's about.


Oh, I forgot to add:

. The Man from Earth

No special effects, no action, just talk. A great movie.


>with some deep religious and philosophical elements that I'm not sure everyone is ready for.

This is how I felt about Battlestar. I barely remember watching the original series as a kid, but I just remember a couple of character names, Cylons (which I thought were cool), the space ships, and the human in the dark room ontop of the pyramid shape the Cylons talked to. That was it. Then I watched the reboot, and was shocked by the religious overtones. Clearly, I never researched anything about it until that point, and then it all made sense.

I'm nervous about Buck Rogers (biddybiddup, what's up Buck!) might turn out the same way on a reboot.


Religious overtones or are ancient religious texts the original sci-fi where its adherents a few generations removed never got the memo? Only kinda joking. I too picked up on battlestar, resurrection, the twelve tribes (or colonies?) lords ok Kobol and so on. I think someone told me at some point the original was Mormons in space.


The original show's creator, Glen Larson, was a Mormon - so it tracks that the show incorporated a lot of that theology. Also, one of the main antagonists is Count Iblis, someone who seeks to lead the colonists to follow him, though he is revealed to be essentially a prince of darkness. "Iblis" is the Islamic name for Satan, so another religious element. Even his backstory is similar to the Abrahamic view of the devil, "he [Count Iblis] was previously a Being of Light who fell from grace after using his powers for evil purposes."

Ron Moore's reimagined version of Battlestar includes strong themes of reincarnation and life being a cycle, which also tracks with Moore's past interest in Hinduism and other Eastern religions.


You can never reboot Max "perhaps you should execute their trainer" von Sydow as Ming the Merciless. Melody Anderson. Queen soundtrack. A true masterpiece.


That’s Flash Gordon.


Flash! Ah-aaaaaa!


GORDON'S ALIVE?!?!


Bring me back his body!


BSG was always "Mormons in space." With recycled props from Buck Rogers back in the 80s.

Buck Rogers was not religious. It was pure episodic adventure. The TV series has nothing on the (or any) Buster Crabbe serial from the 30s.


Slightly unrelated, but there is a 19 hour fan-edit of the Hobbit + Lord of the Rings -- i.e someone glued all 3 Hobbit movies and all 3 LotR movies into a 19 hour video.


For starwars fans, there’s machete order: https://www.rodhilton.com/2011/11/11/the-star-wars-saga-sugg...


Hopefully that's 19 hours of LOTR with the 2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good.


No, it's uncut, all deleted scenes, extended version of all movies if I'm not mistaken. It's not a "remix" edit, the 19 hour one I'm referring to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/bo8how/middle_ear...


In the "2-3 hours of the hobbit which was good" are you including the animated versions as well? I'd be hard pressed to find 2-3 hours from the travesty that Jackson made


Even in LOTR there are some wobbly sections outside the big story beats, when you re-watch it now. It's a good book to film adaptation of difficult material though.

I passed on The Hobbit.


What didn't you like about it?


With all of the creative licensing that was taken with the content, I was really hoping that the Hobbit would have reduced the camp and gave it different tone to match the rest of the "universe". Instead, we got 20 minutes of dwarves throwing plates around and singing songs that does nothing except show examples of how the thinnest book was turned into 3 friggin' movies.

That's just one of the issues I had, but they don't get any nicer from there


Different person, but just about everything. It simply wasn't enjoyable, at all. I'm just talking about the first hobbit, I have somehow managed to purge the memory of seeing the others from my memory.


I liked the LotR adaptations, though there were a few things I was pretty disappointed with.

But when it came to the Hobbit films it was a different story entirely, I saw the first and didn't love it. I saw the second and actively disliked it, so I figured I'd save myself the pain and haven't seen the third and I have no intention of watching it.

It's a shame that it was badly rushed, and split (needlessly) into three parts. But despite the close association it didn't ruin my enjoyment of the LotR films, which I rewatch every few years.


You probably want the "Maple Edit" of the Hobbit (also known as "J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit"). It is 247 minutes and is setup as a single film with intermissions.

Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85gVFD7Dqwk

Info:

http://www.maple-films.com/jrr-tolkiens-the-hobbit/the-final...


I had no idea about this! Thank you for linking!


There are also fan-made "book edits" of LotR and the Hobbit that purge as much non-book material as possible while keeping th film coherent.


I believe that a 90 minutes cut of matrix 2+3 could be actually enjoyable.


"people copied our cool effects for Matrix 1, what if we make the action scenes so long and expensive no one would even bother to copy them because they all went home before they were over?"


The best way to watch that is almost certainly to come in on ~hour 10.


I would watch it.

My wife would probably head to her sister's for the weekend.


I wouldn't mind sitting in a screening of Dune pt1 followed by Dune pt2 when it comes out. Sounds like something Alamo would do. While not 10-14 hours, I would be willing to sit in the theater for 4-5 hours.


AMC by me did all 3 LOTR films in 3 nights just before the hobbit came out. I enjoyed it a lot but by god by the time the 3rd movie ended I was done, and then I still had to sit through another 45 minutes of endings.

(Best movies ever)


This is really cool. It seems very 'pure' in comparison to what my code history will look like. In 2040, a lot of my code will show how I used a bunch of libraries and frameworks that nobody uses 'these days'. This doesn't seem good or bad, just a reflection of the times.


And unless you put in the effort to archive those dependencies yourself, nobody may be able to truly read or build your code anyway.

Today’s trendy development practices are shockingly ephemeral and fragile. Very little of today’s projects would survive one decade left fallow, let alone four.


A few years back my office threw away a PC running Windows XP with no service packs. It was left in a closet for many years just in case we had to fix a bug in some safety critical code.

A few years ago we tried to rebuild some safety critical code from sometime back and were unable to because the certificates had expired and so the machine that can build the source code refused to connect to our version control system.


This is why I really like Debians policy of being self-contained, that everything in Debian is built from sources that are in the Debian system.

It takes a lot more effort to package stuff, since you can't just download your dependencies from the internet. But you also create something that isn't as ephemeral.


Since you mention it, I recall that it's the same thing in OpenBSD: their policy is "base builds base."


> Today’s trendy development practices are shockingly ephemeral and fragile

My fellow human, you have just nailed what is wrong with today's software.


Or stated a tautology. The trendy is almost by definition ephemeral and fragile. Otherwise we'd call it timeless!


> And unless you put in the effort to archive those dependencies yourself

go makes this extremely easy to do

https://go.dev/ref/mod#go-mod-vendor

rust tool chain also includes a vendor dependency process

https://doc.rust-lang.org/cargo/commands/cargo-vendor.html


Do you use this and check in vendored code? I don't, maybe I should


Reading this thread makes me think about archiving my code too. I have backups of my project folders going back to the 90s when I started programming. But I often delete node_modules and other build artifacts before archiving because that stuff takes up so much space.

But maybe it’s worth going through and actively and explicitly downloading all those dependencies too. Who knows when npm will get hacked again, or old package versions will get yanked. Disk space is cheap. I’ve written a lot of code over the years. It would be nice to know it all still runs.


  > Very little of today’s projects would survive one decade left fallow, let alone four.
I hate to break it to you. 2040 is less than half as distant as you think it is.


I want off this ride.


It will be over sooner than you think it will be.


I think that's somewhat the curse of technology. It's so hard to make anything from scratch. How do you get metallurgy working without already having metals? How do you get electricity running without an outlet, or at least powerful, easily sourced magnets?

Thinking about the "dependency tree" for any modern convenience is truly staggering. I can't even start to think about how you can make a factory without first having a factory.


Checking dependencies into VCS should be more common as with yarn PnP and such.


all these `pip install` and `npm install` will be useless


They already are, if your internet connection has a hiccup or worse.

They already are, if something has been hijacked and is now malicious.

They already are, if you need to install something offline somewhere.

They already are.


Even before... Trying to compile archived versions of the python 2.7 runtime on recent Linux distributions is an exercise in frustration. Thank god for the gentle souls that keep putting out lightly updated compilable 2.7 python runtimes, your efforts haven't gone unnoticed.


I have a directory full of prebuilt wheels for the entire dependency chains of several python applications I use. All you need to do is tell python to build all the wheels and save them to X directory, and point it back at that directory for installing. In particular on Termux, there's a number of rarely-used python programs that have native dependencies, so I store them on my network drive to free up storage on my tablet. I have a similar setup for doing stuff on Colab. It's entirely possible to use python/pip in an offline environment, as long as you've planned for it ahead of time; all you need is pip and possibly wheel, and the correct version of python.


not sure if node has its own vendor process now

But languages like go and rust have had the ability to “vendor dependencies” for awhile now.

Don’t need an active internet connection. Just need to have the toolchain.


Node predates npm. All node does is look for dependencies in the nearest node_modules directory. (And all npm does is download dependencies into that folder). So you can simply archive / check in your node_modules directory if you want to. I think there’s tools to help out and make sure the dependency versions are all pinned. (npm shrink-wrap and friends)


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