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I'm also surprised that many supposedly educated people on HackerNews don't seem to know these things.

Noam Chomsky wrote Manufacturing Consent decades ago.

Read, you fools!


It's actually the 30th anniversary. Also, Herman wrote half the book!


Bullshit.

Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions are racists, and their decision to put the lives of 800,000 people at risk is indeed racist.

You can call it "immigration policy" if it makes you feel better.


How exactly is it racist, care to elaborate?


Have you been asleep this past week?

The courts already ruled to put a stop to this executive order. Who do you think is supposed to enforce the ruling of the courts?


> The courts already ruled to put a stop to this executive order

The courts have partially stopped this EO.

> The judge’s ruling blocked part of the president’s actions, preventing the government from deporting some arrivals who found themselves ensnared by the presidential order. But it stopped short of letting them into the country or issuing a broader ruling on the constitutionality of Mr. Trump’s actions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-u...


Actually kind of! Been traveling a lot this last week and working odd hours. But what's probably a bigger factor is that I don't know how these things work. You make it sound simple, which confuses me because the issue isn't resolved yet.

And I don't know the answer to your question.


Federal Government is defying court orders.


Executive branch defying the judicial is probably a bit more accurate. They're both the federal government.


I'm afraid that is likely an underestimated number of affected people/lives because it does not include the number of people with valid, legal visas who are refused boarding by airlines across the world. Those people never make it to the US to have their visas revoked.


Not to mention the people who are eligible for visas but will never get them now. That number is many times larger.


About time for more people to stand up to Trump and his idiotic executive orders.


The YCs and large companies can easily move their investments and offices to Canada and hire the world's best and brightest there.

I'll give you the often conservative advice:

Tough luck? pull yourself up by your own boot straps! Go to school. Go back to school. Work hard, and interview with Google/Amazon/Microsoft again.

And stop perpetuating the idea that you are at a disadvantage because of immigrants and refugees. If you end up with a job at Apple or eBay or Expedia btw, remember that your livelihood was made possible because of the hard work of immigrants and refugees.


In tech you don't have to be the first to market, you only have to have a market that's ready for you.

Xiaomi, tencent, alibaba. Not fist to market. All doing well. All done with a very predominant domestic labor force.

My point, is it's not do much the foreigner, or even the local, but the opportunities made available by your domestic economy.


> can easily move

They can move, but not easily. It'd be easier to just open satellite offices.



Those are links to a whole other issue that deserves its own discussion. Why not the following from the article itself:

"However the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations issued by the U.S. Department of the Treasury puts blocks on this market. According to Techrasa, Apple has sent the following to Iranian startups attempting to upload apps:

“Unfortunately, there is no App Store available for the territory of Iran. Additionally, apps facilitating transactions for businesses or entities based in Iran may not comply with the Iranian Transactions Sanctions Regulations (31CFR Part 560) when hosted on the App Store. For these reasons, we are unable to accept your application at this time. We encourage you to resubmit your application once international trade laws are revised to allow this functionality.”


This. Apparently, it's shocking and newsworthy that Apple adheres to US law, and moves to rectify situations where they have been misled:

"While there is no official App Store available for the territory of Iran, many companies registered their apps as being outside of Iran to be able to get onto the store."


I hope I am wrong but if I read this correctly it's like the Iraq resolution in 2002 that gave the president the right to attack anytime. This can be used as bargaining in negotiations but also as rationale to go to war.


I know that there are many in this country and elsewhere around the world that believe the USA is a peace-loving country.


I hope you are wrong but fear you might not be.


That bill is not passed yet and will take some time.

Also - a lot of bills are introduced that have no chance of passing. If it's coming from Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnel - then it's likely primary GOP policy, outside of that there are tons of things that nobody votes for.

Apple I think will comply with whatever laws the are legally bound by.

Since it's not law, I don't think that it's the issue here.

I don't see Apple doing anything pre-emptively, or as a favour to any politically partisan group.

I suspect there is either a misunderstanding, or we don't have the whole story.


> I suspect there is either a misunderstanding, or we don't have the whole story.

I suspect it's the law directly referred to in the article: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/560.204


>> The intent of the H1-B visa law is clear: It is meant only for STEM workers when there is no American to fill the role. ___That's it. Period.___

Are you Sean Spicer? ;)


Actually, never heard the guy talk. :-)


I'm sure he did say that ;) but consider that he was not entirely truthful.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10065243


I'm aware that people can say whatever they want and took it with a big pile of salt, just wanted to give another piece of anecdata.


If you've been at Amazon for 11 years, your stock has grown from $40 to $500. I can see why you stick around in addition to the other positives that you mentioned...

I've been at Google for a few years now in Seattle, and know of exactly 1 person who left Google to go back to Amazon for a title boost. In contrast, I know dozens of SDEs who have been coming from Amazon to Google.


to be fair there are way more amzn employees than googlers in seattle so the ratio is not as far


Google is the new Microsoft, its where talented engineers go to retire.


I think that would still be Microsoft.


Amazon is so stingy with RSUs ( and base salary and 401k and benefits ) that 10x growth doesn't make it worthwhile.


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