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A question I haven't seen asked here (and maybe I am ignorant) but, dooesn't this kind of content exist exclusively in the dark/deep web? I thought CSAM in the clearweb was finally 1000% eliminated.


No, there definitely is CSAM in the clearweb, it's just that it's usually ephemeral as it gets relatively rapidly removed as fast as it's added, and having a process to fight CSAM is (rather expensive) table stakes for anyone who wants to make a public service that includes user-generated content, because you will get "this kind of content" posted on your platform.

E.g. one of the issues with changes in Twitter moderation after the management change was that it turned out that reducing the moderation manpower meant that suddenly CSAM on Twitter was more prevalent.

The same applies to other media - e.g. observing Mastodon https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-st... found a pretty similar "CSAM rate" as in this Laion dataset.


Hm I guess that makes sense, if there is a CSAM "fill rate" in the clearweb of X images per unit time, and also assuming a "remove rate" that is approximately X then there will always be a "rolling buffer" of around X images constantly (which would change in its content every unit time, but always be there in terms of quantity) and that's probably what the algorithm picked up.


How do you know if pictures of genitals somebody uploaded are 17 year old or 18 year old genitals where there is no visible difference between legal and illegal content?

What about cases where one man’s cute family photos in the bathtub are another man’s pornography? There’s a bunch of reasons why that’s impossible.


According to section 4 of the paper, over 700 of these were matches in the PhotoDNA database. I don't know if these have been perfectly scrubbed, but none of the popular image hosts would carry these.


I don't think that's possible.


This is quite the proposition. You think that the average person commits a legal offense at least every 2 days?

What examples are you proposing? If you count speeding, sure I guess.


Yes. Every time someone changes lanes without signalling 200ft prior. Every time someone goes 56 instead of 55. Every time someone operates any kind of vehicle after having more than one drink. Any time someone is drunk in public (in many states). Probably a huge number of gun owners in states with legal cannabis. Any time someone walks across a street without a protected "walk" sign.

These are the ones I can brainstorm in 30 seconds.

If the government could enforce every law on the books with perfect accuracy and with 100% effectiveness, it would be intolerably oppressive.

Laws are written often with the expectation that enforcement will not be perfect, that between impracticality and officer discretion, that such laws will be a net positive without being silly.

We are coming up on a time of government surveillance and data analysis technology (AI) that we will not be able to escape the panopticon. Laws or enforcement will have to adapt.


Do you know how many laws you are subject to right this moment? If you don't know the number, how can you be sure you haven't broken any?



That was the term I had in mind, but didn't want to use. Heh


Speed Limit 55


For the same reason as has already been cited on this thread, that is the same argument as videogames violence etc.

Do you not have any kinks?

I have a fair amount and the ones I like in porn, I don’t like in real life. The ones I like in real life I don’t really like in porn.

So, specifically concerning your first sentence, which in my opinion is intended as an argument, even though it’s just a question and doesn’t offer any backing, the answer is no.


This is South Korea, you know where they popularize this with at one point less than 14 year old girls:

https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-idols-youngest-currently...

(and she's now slightly over 14, and I do mean slightly. Long way to her 15th birthday)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_5AZjAoMi0 (you might want to watch this one in incognito mode. I mean it's youtube, so it's "not sexual", but calling it SFW is lunacy. you'll see what I mean)

At least she looks like she might be 16 ...

In short: I feel like this society is long past the idea of sexualizing kids being perfectly OK.

Obviously, I have kids, I'd like this guy to stop. But I do think, uh, could this whole young girls KPOP thing stop too, the whole thing? Obviously it is creating guys like this. In fact the guy is at least not using, and not hurting, real girls.

Because yes, KPOP has lead to suicides by the "artist" girls, whereas this guy (correct me if I'm wrong) so far has not hurt a fly.


Police should just execute the plan they already had prepared and planned (I think it was a US federal agency) of releasing massive amounts of CGI CP to the dark web, absolutely flooding the market to such an extent that consumers can’t realize which is which. Which, at the same tine, makes it pointless for someone to pay for it when the “fake” one is equal and legal, and more in quantity. Also even if your fetish is so grotesquely immense that it has affected you to the extent that you need the REAL REAL one, the seller will probably just resell you one of the police fake ones for 0 risk and profit off of you being a dumbass.

There’d be 0 reason to produce or share real one anymore or even sell it.

Important thing, you can generate CGI or AI images without them being trained specifically by the thing you want.

Like you need banana cake just train them with bananas and also cakes. The equivalence of what “bananas” and “cakes” are for this argument, are left to the reader of this comment, who I assume intelligent, as I think it’s gross and unnecessary to make it explicit.


This is not much different from cheerleaders (including the outfits and age groups) commonly found in Europe as well as US.


Many alternative sexual behaviors have been popularized by porn. Smoking was made glamour by movies. How is it hard to understand?


Please provide some evidence. How is it hard to understand?


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32081698/

"Lifetime pornography use was reported by most respondents. After adjusting for age, age at first porn exposure, and current relationship status, the associations between pornography use and sexual behaviors was statistically significant"


Since you like copying and pasting the same irrelevant drivel…

No causation, only correlation.

Hey here’s one for you: Every porn addict, pedophile, and rapist drinks water.

If you drink water then you’re a rapist!!!

See how ludicrous your statements are… all over this thread. You keep repeating the same correlative results as causative and the causation has been debunked by the entire world’s scientists.

Doom didn’t make kids shoot up a school. Mission impossible didn’t create an entire generation of super spies. And porn didn’t create rapists.

Quit with your complete BS, @kretinsky


But espionage is a Federal charge, which is currently under a execution stay, as has been for the past 2 non-trump decades.

Will Biden ever follow through on his promise of abolishing the penalty? Possible campaign topic again.


Add it to the list of "things presidential candidates promise, but that the president doesn't have the capacity to implement". The death penalty is authorized by Congress; POTUS can tell the Justice Department not to do it or push for it in sentencing, but barring a legislative patch release the successor can always issue a new policy.


I agree and know this, it's more about how they are making promises they cannot keep. If Democrats ever get a majority in Congress again, and don't do it, however...


They aren't not trying [0]; it isn't the Democratic party that is blocking this.

On the other hand (and granted that the death penalty is a barbaric atrocity) I'm inclined to prefer the US federal government focus most of its reform efforts (even those contained to the justice system) on issues whose death rates average more than 0.25 people/year[1].

[0] https://pressley.house.gov/2023/07/13/pressley-durbin-reintr...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_by_the...


this isn't worth their time until they get through the big shit like poverty, healthcare reform, housing crisis / nimbyism, climate, homelessness, automation, etc.... world is on fire, I think a law like this is like what you tackle when you've solved poverty, climate change. world hunger, and homelessness


I have one too. It is useless considering the range is less than the maximum possible distance in a mid sized house.

When she escapes I open Find My and I generally visually find the cat with my eyes before the phone even picks the signal up. It keeps the "Get closer..." and only actually shows the arrow when I'm like 5 meters from it.

I have iPad iPhone Mac Apple TV Airpods, more stuff and a bunch of Apple services. Honestly my most disappointing Apple purchase.

In case it matters, phone is 13 Pro.


Another commenter linked a video which I’ll re-link[0]. Essentially the conclusion of the HSCA was, as you say, literally entirely based on that recording. If the recording hadn’t been there, the HSCA actually was on the verge of concluding the same as Warren. (In other words, if the recording evidence wasn’t there they would’ve concluded Oswald lone).

The recording was, indeed, later found to not even be from the time of the shots but from an entirely different point in time, after police already noticed Kennedy shot. In that very recording, police officers say things in reaction to the shooting. After those voices, the “shots” from which the conclusion was drawn appear. Painfully obviously, that doesn’t make any sense.

Also the recording was in an entirely different point in space too, as it wasn’t even from a bike in the motorcade, as the HSCA thought but it from a different 3-wheeled-motorcycle stationed where Kennedy would’ve been arriving.

Drawing conclusions from that recording about the Kennedy shooting is probably less reliable than drawing them from the Live Aid concert version recording of Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen.

In summary, after adjusting for that lone error in HSCA, Warren and HSCA concluded the same.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY


Sad to see author abandoned it. Last iOS update 8 years ago. Not working in current iOS.


Just a tiny nitpick to avoid confusion, but a PICU is already a thing and it means Pediatric ICU, not psychiatric.


Would ΨICU be mistaken for a fraternity?


I really appreciate the cleverness of this.


I propose πCU


Surprised no comment in this thread mentioned speed actually, apart from cargo space of course.

In my area traffic is completely quiet. In a car you can go 120km/h in the highways fine, and even almost that in some specific non highway streets.

I always want to get one until I remember:

1. I WFH and “university FH”. Both are >100km from my house for when I rarely need to go.

2. My gym is 15km away and I barely get there in time in my car at the aforementioned speeds. There are no closer ones.

3. My non-e-bike is just my weekend workout (which I love) but if using for workout, e-bike doesn’t make much sense.

4. The only other use case for my car is getting groceries for my entire family or other cargo heavy things.


> if using for workout, e-bike doesn’t make much sense.

If you have time,

or don't have time, but still want variety in your route/scenery,

there's no better option.


My only contact with tipping in the US as a foreigner, was my only trip to the US. Florida theme parks back when I was a child, a decade ago. In particular, I remember going to Hollywood Planet, inside the Disneyworld Downtown.

The waiter kept making us eat “fast” by asking “dessert now?” unasked as we were still eating entrees.

When we paid he stayed there completely still, and my father asked “…so?”. And he said the tip was too little. Dad said “I tip what I want and your service was horrible anyway”.

He threw a literal tantrum and furiously ran into the kitchen, to never be seen again. We walked out after that.

It left a mark on me as the symbol of US tipping culture, due to the impact actually being on a situation causes vs reading about it.

Never has any of the sort happened anywhere else in my life.


The Planet Hollywood inside Disney World has about as much to do with the US as a whole as a restaurant outside the Vatican with menus in 12 languages has to do with Italy.


I think his experience with tipping is actually pretty realistic of one (extreme) half of the total picture though: a waiter in a shitty restaurant running tourists through as quickly as possible, getting paid less than minimum wage with tips calculated as a major component of his pay.


I get the admittedly similar comparison, but do you think it’s truly accurate?

You’re comparing a country and seat of a world religion to a theme park.

And, even so (even if it was in Italy, that is), is it not an italian restaurant just because it’s touristic and not “for locals”?

That just sounds like a No True Scotsman.


> You’re comparing a country and seat of a world religion to a theme park.

Well, you'll notice I didn't say inside the Vatican, which is in fact a serious place with serious art treasures.

> And, even so (even if it was in Italy, that is), is it not an italian restaurant just because it’s touristic and not “for locals”?

I didn't say it wouldn't be Italian, and I didn't say Planet Hollywood isn't American. I did say they are both extreme outliers. Bill Gates is American, but his life and mine have almost nothing in common apart from language and what our passports look like. You don't learn much about American lives from looking at Bill Gates.


That Planet Holywood has so many foreign tourists should motivate them to put full (tax and service included) prices on the menu, and a clear "no tips!" at the top.


That is horrible.

I have to say that in 40 years of dining out, I have never encountered any such behavior. I absolutely believe you went through it, but I tend to find Americans impressively polite on average.


I did indeed, no lies here haha.

However (and at risk of sounding hostile), can I ask what other cultures have you experienced?

All cultures have good and bad things, it’s not xenophobic or racist (I hope) that the Chinese have statistically better school conduct and order, while the Russians are impressively tough, the Spanish are very chill and relaxed, and many more examples.

As with all previous examples, Americans have many such qualities, but I wouldn’t have thought to say polite as one of them. Maybe for the Japanese. Hope it doesn’t offend anyone. At least around here Americans have more a fame of being loud-ish and sometimes a bit lacking in reading the room. It’s absolutely terrible but, have you watched Emily in Paris? Kind of like that.

I however understand you considering Americans polite if your other comparison is, for example, Egypt.

Just so it doesn’t offend anyone, here’s some qualities I associate with Americans. Creative, resourceful, fighters for freedom and their own personal rights (litigious too), despite the current political climate.


I think your assessments are pretty spot on.

I've visited many other countries but I should have added that most of my adult time has spent in high-end neighborhoods on the West Coast. Except for Poland and France I've never spent more than a couple of weeks in a country outside the USA. I grew up not rich in Southern California and people were polite there too. In my old age I am beginning to suspect that people are just nice to me for some reason, or that I don't perceive rudeness as well as I should.

On an individual level Chinese, Poles, rural Americans, and Russians are sort of like New Yorkers: once they know you're not going to kill them they're ridiculously warm and welcoming. Also New Yorkers: I have more than once been asked if I needed directions when I stood on a street corner consulting my nav. In 40 years of visiting New York City I just have never found people rude, whether it's bus drivers or wait staff or people in the finance district. Which means my impression of things may be suspect.


I read that "aggressively polite" and it made me chuckle. Then i realized i misread you :(


I'll take the "aggressively polite" as part of the package deal, ngl


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