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For context, when the article says "a list of work-related apps and websites," this includes Google properties like gmail, docs, etc, and social media websites like Facebook and Instagram, with no provision for excluding personal accounts.

No one intelligent should be logging into their personal accounts on their work devices in any case - it's always been the case (at least in the US) that companies can do whatever invasive scanning they want on devices they own.

Meta forces employees to use personal Facebook accounts at work.

This hasn’t been true for 8+ years.

Having both a personal and work Facebook account is against the rules and may lead to getting the account suspended.

Everyone here is slightly wrong.

Meta does require you to have a Facebook account. The expectation is that it is your personal fb that you use regularly. However, it doesn’t need to be. You can create a new fb account with a new gmail account and that’s fine. That’s what I did and some others do as well.

That said, 90%+ of employees end up using their real personal account because the language they use makes it seem like you couldn’t do what I described.


Cool that they don't let others do it. I tried to make a work fb account to access the hellscape that is business manager and they blocked it. Pricks.

No they do not lol.

They absolutely do, wtf are you talking about.

Also people use their work accounts and laptops to read their w2 and other sensitive info.


It at least used to be true. In order to accept the job offer, you would have to make (or have) a Facebook account.

The W2 is already provided by the employer, is it really sensitive for the employer to see it?

Idk, do you think it's sensitive for the employer to train an AI with it and then put that AI on Instagram for everyone to use and ask for employee SSNs?

At meta your personal FB account is your work account. I had to create one to get paid. It’s the same identity used in internal systems.

Yes, but, so what? It isn't a license to train AI on employee personal information.

That said -- social media websites were later removed from the "work-related" list. So there was at least some recognition it was overreach and did not match the stated justification.


You know you are at work and monitored.

You can browser personal accounts from your phone.


Yeah automatically assume everything on your work computer is available for your employer to see. And everything you do on your own device when connected to their WiFi or VPN.

I’m surprised this needs to be said out loud.


on your phone not connected to corp wifi

That doesn't matter anymore unless they have an SSL proxy. If you have ECH/ODoH anyway.

If anyone can fingerprint your personal device while literally inside the building, it is Facebook.

You don’t even need any to do something fancy in software. Could just be correlating mobile device presence with work laptop activity. Can triangulate physical location with a handful of Bluetooth or WiFi beacons.


Lots of those these days. Zacaler has a fair amount of enterprise market penetration.

And Ideally not connected to company WiFi

>You know you are at work and monitored.

unless you're in a jurisdiction that has anti-surveillance workplace laws, which if you don't should probably think about before Mark Zuckerberg gets the idea to monitor to your body temperature from below the waistline


- workplace being monitored (US)

- getting paid half the salary (EU)

I know which one most people pick.


No, because prod doesn't have hardcoded cookies baked into it?

If you always test with a date of 1/1/2000 then you don't know that your choice fails in 2039.

These fake-time environments let you set the time, so you can test how the code will behave in 2039 without waiting for 13 years. For Go's synctest, 1-1-2000 is just the default initial value for now().

We don't give these hypochondriacs saline injections with dirty needles, though.

> This is common practice in much of developed world.

Do you mean "developing?" This is not common practice in rich Western countries.

Additionally, as sibling has already pointed out, sterile disposable syringes are extremely cheap.


These words originated with war and were adopted by sports.

You appear to be based in the UK. Speech laws are very different in the US. It is a mistake to project your understanding of censorious UK speech laws on us.

Unlike the UK, expressing opinion is inherently legal here. What would be illegal is lying about specific facts, or expressing opinion based on secret facts you falsely claim to have. However, the standard for damaging a public figure, which Mangione certainly is, is very high -- Mangione would need to show "actual malice" (that is, that the speaker knew or should have known they were making false statements).


> Half the population in the US ... has almost no savings and is living paycheck to paycheck

No. The median American household net worth is $193k, and of that, $8k in checkings/savings accounts. 54% of adults have cash savings that can pay for 3 months of expenses (this excludes non-cash savings, and obviously an even greater percentage have cash savings that would cover 1-2 months of expenses, which is still not paycheck-to-paycheck).


None of these stats (including the person you're replying to) are directly comparable.

- Median net worth is $193k, of which $185k is in their home. Suppose a $10k emergency crops up. Well...you're fucked. If you're lucky you can take out a loan against the accrued value relatively quickly, but otherwise you're taking a 10% haircut having to sell quickly, another 10% in transaction fees, and another $10k in the sudden move/storage/renting/loss-of-work/etc situation you found yourself in liquidating your home to cover an extortionist colonoscopy+lawyer pricing or something. You're _fine_, but when minor road bumps can cause $45k setbacks ($55k if we count the $10k expense this depended on) you're not not living paycheck to paycheck.

- You can't compare the median savings to the median net worth. They're not the same person, and the cross-terms can take almost any distribution.

- The 54% stat is based on self-reported vibes and is pretty blatantly wrong. The median household also has $5200 in unavoidable (without delinquency, losing your home, etc) expenses, which doesn't jive very well with $8k in savings somehow lasting 3 months (assuming the cross terms I complained about aren't too terribly distributed). You would expect 2+ paychecks of stability (which, incidentally, is also the usual prompt for "paycheck-to-paycheck" stability -- not whether it takes one paycheck to be screwed but two), but then you're hosed.

And so on.

You're _right_; the median US household won't go broke missing a paycheck; but 2-3 paychecks is enough to cause major problems at the 50th percentile, give or take friends and family stepping in to soften the blow.


You can quibble with the details but ultimately GP is wrong; the median American isn’t broke or living paycheck to paycheck — which were the claims made — and it isn’t close.

Happy to clear this up for you. Only courts of law are held to the “innocent until proven guilty” standard. Ordinary people are free to form and share their own opinions based on reported facts. Mangione is a murderer. Hope that helps!

"facts"

> Mangione is a murderer

Are you trying to rage-bait people?


Maybe you missed the "opinions based on" part of the very short comment?

I don't think you should be opening yourself up to accusations of libel like that. It's foolish if you don't have any proof to incur the possible threat of being sued without any upside, apart from appearing "edgy".

Opinion based on disclosed facts is not illegal in the US; Mangione would lose the suit, if he bothered to sue. Unlike the UK, we have free speech in the US.

Agreed. I fully support anyone's right to call him a hero or a murderer (or both)

All bets go out the window with adversarial multi-process shared memory mutexes. The other process may not even be running the same locking code.

That's an easy answer, but multi-process mutexes are supported on Linux (and perhaps other OSes as well), and it would be nice if this could also be safely handled by something like Surelock. If it would, then it couldn't rely on VM addresses to order locks.

No. How would it? Before the vulns were identified by Mythos, no one knew what the relevant portion to isolate was.

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