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My main takeaway from this article is that the author wasn't necessarily frustrated with spending 12 hours to prepare a 1-hour long presentation - though this does seem like a big ask - but was more frustrated that they didn't even get the opportunity to present it because the company was

> looking for someone with a few years of experience working with a specific technology I had never used. But… they knew that from my resume. And from my first interview. And from my second interview. And when they told me that I needed to prep a talk.

Shouldn't the company have seen this deal breaker before the interview process started? Or at least after the first interview or two? Acknowledging that the author wasn't the right fit would have saved both the company and the candidate the time and effort of going through an interview process that the company should have known wouldn't yield an offer.

I'm not sure if this is common practice, but I've encountered something similar, going through multiple rounds of interviews over many hours only to have the recruiter tell me that "based on your resume, you don't have the skills we're looking for in a candidate for this position". Why waster my time, and yours, going through the interview process then?

I don't think any of these rationales are very satisfying, but here are some possibilities: 1) The company didn't know what it was looking for when it started the process and came to a different understanding of the job requirements as the candidate moved deeper in the process. 2) The company is covering up the real reason they didn't want to move forward and "lack of relevant skill" is an easy excuse. 3) The company's recruiting process is immature/messy/sloppy/ineffective and they literally missed the lack of required skills until the very end. 4) The position had to be filled and the company wanted to maintain a backup candidate in case their first choice didn't work out.

I'd love to hear from those with experience on the recruiting/hiring manager side to see whether any of these reasons ring true or if something else might be at play.


My guess is that it wasn't actually a deal-breaker, and if there were no other candidates or if the other candidate ended up not being a good fit, the company wanted to go ahead with the presentation to see if they would be a good fit even without that specific experience.

It's a complicated situation from both side. If you're the company, you have to anticipate that the other candidate might get another offer, or turn you down, or turn out to be a flop, so you want to interview other candidates at the same time to have a back-up plan. And that's a good thing for the article author too, because it gives them the chance to see if they're a fit for the job and could learn the required skills even if they don't have them now. And it's great if it works out... but shitty when it doesn't.

It's worth realizing that it's a losing situation for the company, too. It's not like they want to waste a bunch of time interviewing you for a job you're ultimately not going to be in any more than you want to waste time on it. But unfortunately "wasting a bunch of time interviewing" is just how job hunting/hiring works these days.


> And that's a good thing for the article author too, because it gives them the chance to see if they're a fit for the job and could learn the required skills even if they don't have them now.

I think you're right on here, but I also think the benefits diminish the further a candidate goes in the process only to get turned down with an explanation that was known at the beginning. How many interviews does it take to come to that realization?

> It's not like they want to waste a bunch of time interviewing you for a job you're ultimately not going to be in any more than you want to waste time on it.

It seems like this should be true, and I hope it is, but I have worked for companies that seem to interview just for the sake of feeling or appearing to move forward in filling a position. Maybe the recruiter or hiring manager is incentivized in that way? Some action, even if it's in the wrong direction, is perceived as better than no action at all.


>only to get turned down with an explanation that was known at the beginning. How many interviews does it take to come to that realization?

The explanation likely wasn't known at the beginning. The thing that changed was the other candidate, and the company almost certainly had no way of knowing if this other candidate was going to fill the role up until the moment they did, at which time (I'm assuming) is when the company cancelled OP's presentation. The company likely had full intention to hire OP until that point.

>It seems like this should be true, and I hope it is, but I have worked for companies that seem to interview just for the sake of feeling or appearing to move forward in filling a position. Maybe the recruiter or hiring manager is incentivized in that way? Some action, even if it's in the wrong direction, is perceived as better than no action at all.

That's opposite my experience as a hiring manager. If we're "iffy" on a candidate, we'll likely give another interview to see if the first interview was a fluke. But if it's already known off the bat that the candidate won't be hired, we certainly don't waste time interviewing them anyway. Interviewing someone that's already a "no" means wasting multiple peoples' entire day in interviews, meetings, debriefs for no progress. That's something I want to avoid as much as humanly possible, and although I'm sure it happens some places, it's definitely not incentivized at any of the companies I've worked at.


I'm guessing #2 is probably closest (to be charitable). The required skill may have been a soft requirement for a candidate who otherwise wowed them but, as they moved through the process, that just wasn't the case.


A few years ago we were interviewing for a position, and one of the candidates was very up front with what the knew / didn't know -- however everything about this candidate showed that they would excel in the skills that were listed. Another candidate matched up with the skills we were looking for, and on paper was very impressive (same with the technical answers in the interview). However this person came off as a bit arrogant and inflexible. So we went with the less qualified, but better personality fit candidate, and that was one of our better hires.

So I can easily see the tables being turned the other way -- a candidate that doesn't have all the skills, but failed to wow us, would lose out to a candidate that better matched the skill set we were looking for.


I don't think what you've written is exactly true. At least some of the rental property in San Francisco is rent controlled (possibly a lot of it if you believe this site: http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html). If a person/family lives in a rent controlled unit, rent increases aren't necessarily tied to the rental market, but rather are limited to a percentage of the CPI (1.9% increase for the current year - http://www.sfrb.org/index.aspx?page=1501). Wealthy neighbors don't have much to do with it in these cases.


One of the nice things about Vanguard is that the fee structure is much less than 1-3% for many of their funds. I invest with them in some of their index funds and pay no more than 0.4% in fees; usually much less than that.


Vanguard is owned by their funds, so incentives are aligned with the shareholders of the funds. They are very different than most fund companies.


That's a bit of a gimmick. Management still pays themselves from the % of invested funds, not fund performance. Same issue as with a nonprofit -- the corporate profit structure is only one source of moral hazard.


Their expense ratios are really low. Wellington, an actively managed fund, has an expense ratio of .25%. Their non-actively managed funds, such as the Index500, are under .2%. Those are very low fees compared to other similar investments. To compare with doing it yourself, at retail trade rates, that's about one potential trade per year per $2-3k invested.

Vanguard actively moves clients from their baseline funds to the lower cost/higher minimum Admiral versions.

I just don't see moral hazard in Vanguard, compared to other financial firms with remotely similar capabilities and offerings.


Edit, but too late to actually edit --

The expense ratio of Admiral Index 500 is .05%, not .2%. So even better than I'd remembered.


I watched a good documentary about this a while back.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retirement-gamble/


>I invest with them in some of their index funds and pay no more than 0.4% in fees

The fees for VTI, which is Vanguard's Total Stock Market Fund is 0.05%.

On top of that, in Canada, most brokers will allow you to buy ETFs in a RRSP or TFSA account for no fees. Very cost efficient.


Building the "vanilla post and search rental platform" first reminds me of a strategy I've read elsewhere: spend time working in the industry you hope to disrupt. There is no substitute for real world experience when researching/understanding an industry!


"The proper solution is to make it very easy to strike down bad patents ..." isn't this exactly what the author is trying to do? The author states that he uses StackExchange to "respond to requests for prior art that invalidate an overly-broad patent." Sounds like you two agree.


The author thinks he is "helping" the USPTO - to stop bad patents. But he is doing nothing of the sort. The USPTO are part of the problem.

Do you really think that you can strike down a bad patent by simply sending some links for prior art to the USPTO ? Someone who applies for a patent must pay a fee to have it examined by an expert. I'm pretty sure that they're going to have to spend some time re-examining the patent and the new material to decide if it's relevant or not. I don't think that's going to be free.


Rather than asking "Why don't designers take Android seriously?" I'd ask "Why don't companies take Android seriously?" Once a company decides to take Android seriously, it isn't all that difficult to create compelling apps, with or without a designer that is dedicated to the Android platform. While I don't advocate simply copying the iOS experience on Android, a developer with some knowledge of how the platform works doesn't necessarily need a designer's help to modify the iOS experience to fit Android paradigms.


I've just downloaded the Holification Nation Instagram client. It's nice, but the icons are very grainy. They may not have included xxhdpi assets, which is unfortunate; that oversight tarnishes what would have been a really nice app.


If there's a shortage of doctors we could increase the supply or examine whether we need fully trained doctors for certain more basic services in the first place. There are plenty of beneficial/ necessary medical procedures that don't require an MD's expertise.


I know you're just providing a hypothetical example, but I think it's common for services provided by doctors or a hospital emergency room to cost quite a bit more than $100; in many cases an order of magnitude more. At the end of the day, I do agree that a hospital will or should make a collection decision based on a cost benefit analysis of some kind, but I think that decision will be to collect a good portion of the time.


While the bill might be $1k+, the amount collections would reasonably collect is probably more in the $100 range for what amount to doctors visits.


These types of of writings are often hard to come by, but they always provide a refreshing taste of an often hidden part of entrepreneurship.


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