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Your product rules. Thanks.

LLMs assist those of us who were apt to take blocks of code from StackOverflow, or wherever, to solve problems quickly and avoid as much of the aggravating and slow toil of trial and error as possible.

That trial and error process is still happening with a LLM, but much faster, and with instantaneous cross-references to various forms of documentation that I would be looking up myself otherwise. It produces code of a quality that is dependent on the engineer knowing what they want in the first place and prompting for it and refining its output correctly.

It's the exact same process of sculpting code that the majority of the industry was doing "by hand" prior to the release of LLMs, but faster, and the harnesses are only getting better. To "vibe code" is to prompt vaguely and ignore the quality of the output. You're coming to a forum full of professionals and essentially telling us that you're getting really frustrated with your Scratch project.

I don't know if you're trying to lead a charge or whatever but good luck with that. As a senior SWE, it is clear to me that this is the new paradigm until something better than LLMs comes along. My workflows and efficiency have been vastly improved. I will admit that I have never really been a "I made a SMTP server in 3k of Rust" kind of guy, though.


CYA is a powerful drug for the C Suite

I've been slowly moving all of my stuff over to Cloudflare. This certainly does not inspire confidence to continue down that path.

Played in the UO beta with a CD I got out of a magazine or something. It began a period more than a decade of UO -> EverQuest -> WoW addiction. I sincerely believe that if I never discovered MMORPGs, I would be a billionaire lol

The world would be a much better place if these kinds of engineers had a spine.

Yeah they’d have to use it to stand at the back of the unemployment line. Companies don’t care, someone more desperate will take the job.

Are you one of those engineers building said crawlers, by any chance?

Some spines are just crooked, and the extra rigidity would hurt more than help.

"One moment: reticulating spines..."

We are a swarm shop and I don't foresee changing that anytime soon.

I suspect companies are deploying bots to shift sentiment around their products. I find metrics like this to be largely useless vs. actually just trying stuff out.

LLMs need a competent engineer to create code that doesn't suck. Reality is catching up to the hype.

Absolutely true. LLMs need a really experienced engineer that has great intuition about the system design.

Otherwise good luck getting things done in a business environment where people and processes depend on the software you produce.

Thugs of AI thought reality won't catch up to them they're untouchables.


And it takes years of doing it the ‘old way’ to build intuition.

Many firms are implicitly assuming the models will keep improving to the point where all these problems go away. But what if they don’t?


Lucid dreaming is a cool concept but I've never been able to pull it off. I still try, though!

It sort of just happened to me a few years ago. It’s neat—flying is fun. (As is the opposite, when it just doesn’t work and I wake up sort of laughing at myself for having spent, presumably, hours jumping around in my dream.)

But at least for me, the price was dreams, the moment I go lucid, ceasing to be self directed. I get that I’m in a movie, and I have to always create the next step. Nothing surprises or horrifies anymore. (If I’m lucid.) I have to kind of create my own magic, which isn’t particularly restful.


> I get that I’m in a movie, and I have to always create the next step. Nothing surprises or horrifies anymore.

I haven't lucid dreamt since a child, but I recall everything about the dream continuing to be autonomous as before becoming lucid, but if I wanted to do something, I could add that element. I definitely could still be surprised, as the dream fulfilled wishes like a genie would, meeting it technically but perhaps not as I meant when I willed the change. The few times I reigned my subconscious so I had full power and there were no longer any surprises, I would wake up.


> everything about the dream continuing to be autonomous as before becoming lucid, but if I wanted to do something, I could add that element. I definitely could still be surprised

I may have overstated what I said. The environment continues to be dynamic, and characters enter and exit and cause their usual mayhem (alongside me). But if something unexpected happens, there is–in my mind–a theatrical explanation for it and thus a plot-driven solution. The stuffed animals are upset I'm going to wake up and kill them, so I put them in a zoo where they believe they continue to exist after I stop dreaming, et cetera. (And sure enough, they're there next time I'm in that "place".) If you're trapped somewhere, you know an exit will materialise because you're the main character, and sure enough, it eventually does. If I break something I love, I know something will happen that makes it whole again. When anything that happens can be undone, action is robs of its meaning.


Yep, same. The dream gets incredibly boring after you get control of it.

> dream gets incredibly boring after you get control of it

Wouldn’t go that far. But you have to consciously make it interesting by creating the weirdness.


Maybe it works differently for different people, but I found my creativity incredibly limited once I got the control of the dream. It's like everything just stopped and I could do whatever I wanted, but nothing in the environment reacted to the things I did, just stopped working.

Are your other characters still sentient? Or do they go ragdoll?

They just go ragdoll. The whole world just stops generating anything new. It's really weird and I stopped trying to "wake up" within the dream because it just gets damn boring instantly.

Not if you are an aphantast.

but but, you can do whatever you want?

I've had limited experience (n~20) but no... that's not how it worked for me, interested in others' experiences.

"flying" was limited. I didn't have full control and sometimes felt dynamically pinned to the top of a 2D scrolling video game as if there were driver incompatabilities.

drifting off to sleep in a session, it was very disturbing- i felt like i was being dragged by my ankle across the bed before lucid dreaming began, "here it comes..."

Sometimes there would be ominious sounds/visuals that I could not influence that scared me so much I was glad I could wake up because it felt like a nightmare was approaching.

Two big tells I'm lucid dreaming: I'm with a group of people who can't answer a very obvious question ("why is the sky blue?") or, I look at my hand - as if it were LLM it absolutely does not render well... like a tree trunk with a bunch of branches.


> I'm with a group of people who can't answer a very obvious question ("why is the sky blue?")

Super interesting, because I have the same thing. Also none of my technology works. I usually try to do something on my phone a few times, fail because the UI is putty, and then remember that smartphones don’t work in my dreams.


Well, yeah. But it's what you want in the moment which can be very unpredictable even when you're "guiding" the dream. The subconscious is still in the driver's seat there and can go to some weird, wacky places.

My wife and I were just talking about this the other day. She lucid dreams very regularly, and she says she spends a lot of that time flying.

I, on the other hand, never lucid dreamed, so a few years ago, I spent a lot of time journaling and doing wakefulness tests to see if I could learn to do it. One night, I did -- I was dreaming and then had an 'awakening' in which I realized I was asleep. Finally, a lucid dream! Naturally, the first thing I did was start to fly. About five seconds in, I told myself, "Wait a sec... People can't fly." That took the wind out of my sails, so to speak, and I couldn't fly again in the dream. I believe I woke shortly after, too.

I keep wanting to get back to it and try it out, but I'd love a more efficient way to get there instead of constant wakefulness checks and first-thing-in-the-morning journaling.


> Wait a sec... People can't fly." That took the wind out of my sails, so to speak, and I couldn't fly again in the dream

There is a Peter Pan tendency, at least to my dreams. You know you can’t fly. But then you remember you have, and believing it’s true makes it happens.

That’s what I was getting at with the film-script effect. I’ll be in a bind and then realize that there “must” be a solution in a particular form, otherwise the dream wouldn’t make sense, and that sort of conjures that thing into existence.

Maybe fortunately, maybe sadly, the one thing I’ve not been able to do is conjure up lost loved ones. I’ll get a bunch of puppies who know my dog, but he just couldn’t show up, or I’ll get strangers or living loved ones who know my grandmother or best friend; they’re just constantly indisposed.


Training yourself to remember dreams by writing them down before they fade away is paramount, it's not enough to just think about them - they still somehow fade away along with your thoughts about them. Then read what you wrote before going to sleep again.

If you want to achieve lucid dreaming consistently you also have to develop a habit of doing reality checks. The most effective one is to pinch your nose and try to breath through it, in your dreams it will almost always work and the surprise is major.

Lucid dreaming even works for people with aphantasia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia>.


Are there any more subtle reality checks so people in the real world don’t think I’m insane trying to breathe through my closed nose all day?

Checking clocks for consistency. Text as well. They are less reliable. Some people swear by rotating a text containing object upside down and see if the text auto-rotates, apparently it does in their dreams. Some people can't read anything in their dreams.

Look into all day awareness. It's the phenomenon of noticing the incredible level of detail of the real world and trying to do that all day.

Read something, and then read it a second time. If you are awake it will be the same text, but if you are dreaming it will have changed.

Keep a dream journal. There any many methods for achieving it but if you keep a dream journal long enough you'll start getting consistent lucid dreams.

Yeah, I do that. I've read many books about it. My particular physiology is just stubborn thus far.

I was fortunate to be taught by my father when I was younger. It may be an age/luck-of-the-draw thing, but check out "MILD"; it's the name for the simple technique that worked for me.

Most consistent way of achieving it I've managed is use a watch with an alarm that vibrates and is trivial to turn off or turns off by itself, then set it to go off after sleeping 5-6 hours. When waking up, don't move and focus on the black behind the eyes, then after a few seconds it may turn into a dream and you go straight from waking into a lucid dream.

there's a wearable dropping this year that's supposed to make it easier to lucid dream: https://www.prophetic.com/

Is there any research that would support that such a device actually works? This just looks like vaporware, and what I was able to find on the /r/luciddreaming subreddit also seems to echo that sentiment.

I'm not sure about that device but there's research about lucid dream induction through flashing lights during sleep in a consistent pattern and there are a few head devices that do that.

My tell is to recognize any room with a piano in it. I naturally want to sit down and play this piano, but the keys are totally wrong. No problem, I'll look around and, lo and behold, dozens more pianos all... with the keys in the wrong places. I can't play anything. "Oh, this again. I must be dreaming. How frustrating."

A very regularly occuring dream is that I'm in a train and realize that I don't have a ticket (never happened IRL), so I want to buy an e-ticket, but the ticketing app does not work. The text changes all the time, the buttons move around, weird errors, and then I realize 'yep I'm in a dream again'.

The nicer lucid dreams are those were you can fly or make spectacular light and colors, but I find that it's usually a difficult balance to avoid waking up.


> [..] app does not work [..] text changes all the time, the buttons move around, weird errors, and then I realize 'yep I'm in a dream again'.

Unfortunately, this is becoming less and less of a "tell"! You're going to have to find a new one.


Haha, fair :D.

I was really into it in my early 20's. One way to tell if you are mentally in the state to lucid dream is if you no longer feel tired. One night, after a grueling hike, I was completely exhausted when I went to bed. I closed my eyes, and moments later all my exhaustion just vanished, and I began to explore the space.

Another way is to try to see what the clock faces say in your dream. Also, see if the light switches behave as you would expect.


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