Look for text based media. As soon as images are introduced to a platform, memes take over and tank the quality of discourse.

I think it’s more that companies can want to be efficient but most people prefer the status quo to change on just about any work task if it requires any relearning or training effort.

This thread is person after person saying “oh wow, person who sells terrible thing for humanity doesn’t let their kids have unlimited access to terrible thing! It’s so obvious. This isn’t news.”

The news is that the CEO of youtube is saying that Youtube is something that should be limited and he thinks harm will come to his children if he does not. This may be obvious to people on this site but a lot of normal people think it’s fine. It’s shocking as for a lot of people it’s more like “CEO of cucumber farm limits cucumbers for their child!” As that’s how Google markets youtube for kids.

Lots of normal people don't think it's fine.

Lots of parents limited their kids' TV (television, you know) time back in the day (mine sure did, thanks mum and dad, even though I didn't particularly approve of the restriction back then).

Now you have to limit smartphone (and tablet and PC and TV) time. Lots of parents do this already, CEOs are not alone.

The television set was never in every kids pocket, though. And obviously "lol don't buy your kid a smartphone then lol". sure, easy to say, but the world is getting more and more connected.

Availability is definitely a factor, but I feel that a far more important aspect is that a YouTube feel is personalised. It's A/B testing you for weeks on end, and has a pretty good idea of how to get maximum engagement. TV was never this targeted, nor was there feedback to ratchet up what it suggested to you.

Kids don’t stand a chance against decades of data/research and billions of dollars weaponized against human psychology to garner as much of your attention as possible at all times.

Kids should own a device with "adult" bit set to 0, so that they can only use government-approved applications and sites. Why government? Because parents are too lazy or dumb to configure anything and 90% will just let their children access whatever they want and the rest 10% will feel like losers who cannot watch the things all their classmates are allowed to watch.

What happens when the kid eventually becomes an adult? They have to buy a new device? That seems like an really great way to create a bunch of unnecessary e-waste.

Also, letting Big Daddy Government control what we show the kids has got to be one of the worst ideas I've heard. Propaganda machines that parents have no power over? No thanks. That seems like the most likely outcome of this sort of measure. Next thing you know, every computer will also have a "activist" and "journalist" bit; once you normalize role-based access controls, the catgories will only ever expand.

Ehhh I’m more of a “hybrid model” guy myself. I do think the government should be more involved in regulating what these companies can do to us and how they can use our data, but I’m not really in to your vision of how involved they are in apps directly (imagine that kind of power with the Trump administration).

Meanwhile I do think parents should not be expected to literally handle every element of this because it’s just not possible to have eyes on every bit of media/entertainment/etc our kids can find. That being said it is our responsibility to educate our kids on some level, so we can’t just expect to pass the buck entirely to external systems. I do think it’s reasonable to expect some basic guardrails though.

Needs to be a little bit of effort and restriction across the board.

By our generations “best and brightest”, supposedly.

At least, most well compensated.

Shame on you, if you work for these organisations.

Plus a lot of the times there was nothing interesting to watch on TV even if you did have it in front of you.

To me it seems like basic parenting to limit access to tech.

It wasn’t healthy for kids to just play video games every day for 5hrs straight after school in the 90s either. But that also doesn’t mean they should never have had a PlayStation or all gaming is bad.

The research on video games indicates that it tends to enhance certain skills like spatial awareness and reflex time. They're also pretty decent social / competitive outlets.

The research on social media indicates that it lowers attention span and increases anxiety, depression, and anger. And my personal opinion is it's the reason we're seeing crazy things that I can't fathom happening without it like the measles resurgence.

Neither should be used for 5 hours a day but the consequences don't seem comparable to me. The only place they do align is you should probably be exercising more instead.

Hacker News is not representative of the average person in often very bad ways.

Studies on screen time with toddlers and infants don’t paint a rosy picture on it.

So you kinda saying youtube for kids should limit itself to N hours per day per IP address / device?

Perhaps australia should’ve implemented such limitations. Burden of enforcement on big tech since the have billions to spend anyway.

It's also person after person telling people to parent harder.

It's a responsibility, probably (definitely, I think, but minimally probably) the most important job and responsibility one can have. If you're on HN, then you likely recognize the brain rotting effect of social media without moderation, and if that's the case, your responsibility is to parent to the minimum amount that you moderate your kids' usage.

Yep. And people parent harder by banning social media entirely. Problem solved!

this is exactly what hard parenting is all about. I do “as long as you under my roof…” bit (6 more years to go…) :)

I think the problem is that parents don't know that it's bad so they don't limit but this CEO apparently knows! Many parents are addicts themselves

honest question - do you really think that (most) parents do not know that it is bad?! This “CEO” stuff is not new, Steve Jobs famously said the same thing about his own devices…

Seems like a pathetic appeal to authority to me. Why should I care what weird idiosyncrasies billionaires have? I'm sure they have tons of things they don't want their children learning that a lot of people would consider to be trivial. In my mind this goes back to whether you model children as property that you own or individual humans you're hoping to introduce to the world in the best way you understand how. It sucks that other people's children are going to youtube to turn off their brains. But my kids are excelling because of it and similar services. My girls are constantly trying new things because of what they see on social media and youtube. My 12 year old daughter already plays flute, violin and cello but wants to pick up the saxophone because of content she has consumed. We get everything from weird science experiments to a desire to try sewing or knitting. When people talk about the "dangers" of the internet and social media I struggle to understand what they mean because it's always been an enabler to me to excel. Somewhere along the way so called "hackers" wanted to create safe spaces to completely isolate their children from any variables the world can throw at them and I just cannot understand the mentality.

Only if your mental model equates youtube to junk food.

And yet, would that be wrong?

Youtube is a grocery store. So yes, if you view everything coming out of it as junk you're ignorant and wrong.

And yet, when going to a grocery store where everything is free, what content would adolescents be most likely to consume?

Your analogy was more apt than you could ever imagine.

I can't speak for your adolescents, but my kids make generally good decisions. I don't relate to the kids are stupid automatons with no agency or valid opinion mindset that is so prevalent with HN contributors. If your kids would only ever pick junk food, maybe that is a reflection on you more than them?

I myself was recently an adolescent, and still know many adolescents myself. My take is coming from my anecdotal experience, and the behaviour I've observed from my peers. Perhaps your kids don't show that side of them in front of you? I know my peers and I certainly didn't go out of our way to advertise such activities to our parents when we were younger.

Youtube Kids has this. You can turn on a whitelisted content only mode. Then only content you share with the kids account shows up.

Approved content only mode.

Thanks, good to know. Either it didn't exist when I last tried to research it, or I just couldn't find it.

At which point I might as well put it on plex, same effort for tech savvy people.

Plex + archive.org is the best. So many great kids shows on there to grab.

Or why bother when no one will stop you from ruling by fiat?

Yep. I punch literally everyone I meet in the face.

I have the power to do it. Why would I not?

Is assaulting people going further your goals?

Presumably EOs further the President’s goals.

If it does further my goals then it's fine to punch people in the face?

Many of those goals are to simply hurt the "wrong" type of people.

“And then the leopards ate my face”

Do you mean “restraint”?

Or was forced to to receive asylum.

You need to change the temperature to 0 and tune your prompts for automated workflows.

It doesn’t really solve it as a slight shift in the prompt can have totally unpredictable results anyway. And if your prompt is always exactly the same, you’d just cache it and bypass the LLM anyway.

What would really be useful is a very similar prompt should always give a very very similar result.

This doesn't work with the current architecture, because we have to introduce some element of stochastic noise into the generation or else they're not "creatively" generative.

Your brain doesn't have this problem because the noise is already present. You, as an actual thinking being, are able to override the noise and say "no, this is false." An LLM doesn't have that capability.

Well that’s because if you look at the structure of the brain there’s a lot more going on than what goes on within an LLM.

It’s the same reason why great ideas almost appear to come randomly - something is happening in the background. Underneath the skin.

That’s a way different problem my guy.

have you tried this? this doesnt work because the way inference runs at big companies. its not just running your query in isolation.

maybe it can work if you are running your own inference.

Probably means starch.

Minus brakes on EVs. They usually do not use their break pads.

ehhh, they certainly can and do... but I think there's a case to be made that this can be lower when managed appropriately

My only experience is BMW EV, but my i4 aggressively prioritizes regeneration over using the brakes. It even has an energy meter that shows negative/positive energy flow. The positive flow is blue until the actual brakes engage where it changes to black. And this is in two pedal mode, one pedal driving is even more aggressive about regen.

I would not doubt I use my breaks 1/20th of the amount that our X5 or Silverado use theirs.

It varies by model, I know some lower end EVs from GM still use the breaks quite often depending on the driving mode.

I have an Equinox EV and the brakes do not get used often. They did a great job with blending kinetic regeneration with friction activation, but you can still feel the difference when it kicks in.

They are active in reverse, to ensure that they are used and so that any rust gets cleared from the rotors. They also activate if you slam on the brakes or if the battery is at 100% charge and the kinetic energy can not be used.

I have about 12,000 miles on the car over the last year and the rotors and pads look the same as when I got them. The first annual inspection showed no measurable wear.

I've rented a Chevy Bolt before and in the normal drive mode (D) the brakes almost always get used in addition to light regen. In the single-peddle mode (P) regen is prioritized a lot more but passengers complained about not liking the feel versus standard braking.

Blending brake with regen is normal to avoid rust to develop on the rotor but I haven’t seen any EV that don’t prioritize regen over normal braking.

They can, obviously, but it is done very very sparingly.