I don't even want to work, but unfortunately food and shelter cost money.
It's all a trade-off. Don't be a founder, but then you have to put up with crazy company politics, feeling of meaninglessness, having a boss, and so on.
Personally I don't think anybody is entitled to a job, though. Hence my "I don't even want to work" statement. People have to do something to survive, that is just reality.
I know it's tired to invoke the nazis, but think about this: would you work for a company that would offer your dream job, in your dream area of work, with a dream salary, and so on? The only catch would be that you would have to say "hail Hitler" whenever you met one of your coworkers.
It's a small thing. Just two words.
The problem is, they mark you as bowing to nazi ideology.
In the same sense, even seemingly little "wokeness demands" actually are the demand to bow before woke ideology. It's simply unbearable to many people, just as (hopefully) having to say "Hail Hitler" would be unbearable to you.
Why on earth should it not be OK for black people to use the service? And what is so "white" about it? Because black people are supposed to be activists and believe in identity politics? I follow plenty of black people on Twitter who don't belong to that crowd.
Have you ever wondered if is ok black people to use Hacker News? After all, it was created by white people? (I don't even know the skin color of the creators of "Unwoke.hr" - why do you assume they have to be white?).
I’ve wondered if it’s ok for black people to use HN, I’ve also wondered if it’s even ok for black people to be in tech. The term “woke” was coined by black people for the purpose of empowerment and self-liberation, co-opted by white liberals to feel like they’re doing something, and then I see this site, which is supposed to be the antithesis of “woke” corporate culture.
Black people have no choice to interpret this as “we want to keep ignoring a soft genocide”.
No black person would want to be “unwoke” because to us that means enslavement, that’s how I know OP is nonblack.
Edit: actually, it looks like you've been banned repeatedly for doing this on HN. That's not cool, so I've banned this account as well. Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email [email protected] and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
Yeah sorry I am not creating accounts to break the rules.
I simply don't understand you. In my opinion what I wrote was neither a personal attack (I called his argument ridiculous, not him - and I was referring to his notion that it might not be OK for black people to use HN), nor an ideological battle. While the topic is an ideological battleground, which has a real effect on the tech industry, my stance in this particular discussion would be that people simply should be allowed to work without having to be involved in such culture wars (I also did not create that website unwoke.hr, I only posted it to HN). If he wants to be "woke" and do activism and so on, I have nothing against it, at least not in the context of this discussion. I just don't want to be affected by it. I don't want to talk him out of it or anything - so where exactly is your problem?
I don't see the point of you banning my account for a discussion in a thread that has already been flagged. Obviously only people who want it would see the further discussion.
I'm really not sure what you would consider an appropriate discussion of the topic? Obviously it is ideologically charged, but it IS a job board for the tech industry, and it is a subject that affects many who work in tech.
Ironic that you banned me, because I had just been wondering that for all its flaws, at least HN is open to access for everybody. You can create an account in minutes, and there are no profile pics (so less danger of racism, for example). Except apparently not. (Also while it is quick to create accounts, I suppose you have automatic filters in place, so in effect it is not free for everyone. But still - it could have been a refuge from the totalitarian social networks).
"Ridiculous. To be honest I don't even feel like convincing you. If you feel like that maybe just let it be. And sorry, there definitely is no. Have you even? Why don't you? Try to understand? Personally I don't care about your."
That is dripping with internet snark and hostility and certainly crosses into personal attack. Also, the racebaiting aspect of what you posted is unwelcome here.
I banned your account for a repeated pattern, not one thread - as I explained.
Addendum: link for the population numbers of Blacks in the USA. Between 2010 and 2018 the percentage of the population that is Black has risen (as in most other years since early last century). No sign of ongoing genocide.
Ironic, as that is exactly what the unwoke people think about the woke people. They see it as an ideology that you have to "take the knee" to, a ka "follow orders", to be accepted into the community.
I think at either extreme its probably true. I don't spend my time signaling on linked in, but I do like to have a "diverse" team. Things just feel more even when you aren't surrounded by the same types, and there is space in that for white people with right wing views
I think they removed that before going on their woke crusade, because they figured it is actually too vague. Different people consider different things evil.
But for individuals, I think it is still an OK choice to make to not work for companies they personally consider evil.
It's all a trade-off. Don't be a founder, but then you have to put up with crazy company politics, feeling of meaninglessness, having a boss, and so on.
Personally I don't think anybody is entitled to a job, though. Hence my "I don't even want to work" statement. People have to do something to survive, that is just reality.