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I see you're trying to drive a wedge between India and Canada, dirtyid, or Chinese citizen who lives in Canada who loves China and hates western world. It really doesn't matter what you're doing you know, China is a Great Depression and will stay there for 20 years.

Also proving the point that Canada and US should not be importing more Chinese pinkies into the country


Oh no, you got me.

I'm a Chinese Canadian citizen living in Canada who advocates for Canadian geopolitical interests before Chinese ones, which I advocate before US ones. That means useful immigration, including Indians who can pay and contribute to economy, not when it gets remitted back to India like MENA model, or eat away at locals QoL. I'm fine with going back to 600k immigration levels, which is still high and having Canadian schools 40% Indian, because frankly PRC talent staying in PRC is good for PRC. For reference, I also advocate Canada cooperating with India on sikh seperatist (and India cooperating with Canada on assassinating Canadian on Canadian soil) to get relations back on track.


When is Europe going to wake up and realize that China is attacking Europe with all its weights, whether its through Russia's military invasion or through economic attack of dumping of EV and solar that seeks to destroy Europe's car industry?

China Offers Full Support to Russia on Ukraine War https://www.newsweek.com/china-russia-ukraine-war-dong-jun-c...


If China supported Russia the war would have been over by now. There is a reason Russia has to buy weapons from North Korea and Iran when China would have been able to provide much more.

China has actually supported Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen's Houthis more than they have supported Russia's war on Ukraine. When Saudi Arabia's F-15s started getting their wings blown off by by Iranian SAMs fired by Houthis it was Chinese drones that started hitting Houthi positions in Yemen.

For some reason there is little awareness about the close Saudi-China alliance here in the West.


If China didn't support Russia the war would have been over by now.


They support them just enough so the war can drag on, weakening both Russia and the West.


China absolutely has supported Russia, now it hasn’t given weapons (as far as we know). But it has provided ample material support in terms of western chips, heavy vehicles and parts. Without which Russia wouldn’t have lasted as long as it has. Not to mention the diplomatic cover.


in the article I linked, it literally said

"China's newly appointed defense chief and Shoigu discussed boosting military cooperation and coordination as the Russia-Ukraine war drags on. Tensions surrounding the Ukraine crisis have tested the resilience of the China-Russia partnership, with Beijing supporting the Kremlin's plans economically rather than openly amid international pressure."


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you should check this video out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yizM5O5HoMg

Wangfujing and Sanlitun, which used to be one of the bustling streets in Beijing, now empty


agreed, also, what is with all these articles written/submitted in favor of Chinese EVs in US? do they not know we are currently fighting an indirect war with China, with China supplying Russia's invasion against Europe being supplied by US? do they not know China is basically the backer for Houthi, Iran, North Korea, and Russia?


China is kicking our ass in the technologies of the future (batteries, EV, renewable energy, nuclear.) If you believe China is a threat, then you should absolutely be reading articles like this one. Historically the US won wars by leading in the manufacture of this tech, and we should be fully aware of the consequences of losing that edge. It’s still not too late for us to do something about it.


  agreed, also, what is with all these articles written/submitted in favor of Chinese EVs in US? do they not know we are currently fighting an indirect war with China, with China supplying Russia's invasion against Europe being supplied by US? do they not know China is basically the backer for Houthi, Iran, North Korea, and Russia?

A single article that doesn't portray China negatively in the US media and people are going crazy.


I didn't read the whole article because of the paywall, but I was taking it from the angle of "why can't we encourage this kind of development in America?" As opposed to "we should import Chinese cars."

I am frustrated by it because I feel like we could be doing better. I mean, the best thing would be to invest in public transport but I would also be happy with more cheap car offerings.


The answer to “why can’t we do things China does” is we decided a long time ago that we value environmental and worker protection more than China does.


I don't see how China focusing on building EV cars is somehow weakening worker protections or damaging the environment more than building ICE cars. They have issues, but none of that is related to the topic of the article.


You can sell your cars much cheaper if you barely pay the workers and don't invest in safety equipment.


This question has been investigated fairly thoroughly for PV solar and scale of manufacturing and government support are far bigger factors.

Remember PV and EV are technology, getting smaller, cheaper, better as it iterates.


With any luck the Nordic sympathy strikes will sort out the pay and safety issues.


US doesnt have strong "value environmental and worker protection". Btw, are there more EV in Europe btw?


The layoff announcement mentioned that the 11% staff laid off is global. It's possible a lot of people laid off are actually in China, since Tencent owns 100% of Riot Games. There is a trend for Chinese companies to not hire workers that are over 35 years old, so some of these employees might be unemployed for a long time. Also, Chinese economy is in the crapper right now.


Their offices around the world can be found here: https://www.riotgames.com/en/work-with-us/offices Out of 20, only 1 in China, Shanghai.

Most are fairly high cost living locations outside the US (ex: Sydney, Tokyo, Seoul, Paris, Dubai). Mumbai and Sao Paulo are not cheap for India and Brazil.


Riot is an american company though, I'm pretty sure they have most of their employees in the US and not China.


Yeah they kinda just invest and stand back (with west investments at least?), maybe they are conflating tencent with netease. Are they the same parent organization…? Am i a tencent subsidiary?


The layoff announcement mentioned that the 11% staff laid off is global. It's possible a lot of people laid off are actually in China, since Tencent owns 100% of Riot Games.

It's doubtful that these Chinese employees are chatting about it on hacker news, since it would draw attention of the authorities. Also, there is a trend for Chinese companies to not hire workers that are over 35 years old, so most of these employees are probably in shock on how they would pay their mortgages and support their parents at the same time. And Chinese economy is in the crapper right now.

Tencent is doing pretty horrible as well. Tencent Leads $80 Billion Rout as China Rekindles Crackdown Fear https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tencent-plunges-china-unveils...


No, the big anxiety in China is that the manufacturing is disappearing, especially to developed world like Europe and US. With real estate and consumer spending - the 2 of 3 economic engines - in the dumps, China has switched focus back to manufacturing - the other engine. However...

China's annual exports drop for first time in seven years.

Among key trading partners, exports to the U.S. led the decline, down 13% from the previous year. Demand from the European Union and Southeast Asian countries also shrank.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Trade/China-s-annual-exports...


China has always talked a big game about rebalancing without actually making the changes to do so. At some point they were going to run out of export growth as they got richer.

What they need to do, and probably won’t, is stop devaluing the yuan and relax capital controls so that Chinese consumers can invest and spend in something that isn’t housing, and finally fuel consumption growth. The current situation essentially results in Chinese being underpaid.


The problem with China is that they got old and demographically smaller, and decided to pick a fight alongside Russia against Europe and US, before they got rich or at least above poverty level.

China Tries To Censor Data About Nearly 1 Billion People in Poverty

In his article for the business outlet Yicai, Li cited data from a 2021 research paper by the China Institute of Income Distribution at Beijing Normal University, which placed the number of people living on less than 2,000 yuan ($300) a month at 964 million, or nearly 70 percent of the population.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-article-censorship-1-billion-...

China's population drops for second year, with record low birth rate

The National Bureau of Statistics said the total number of people in China dropped by 2.08 million, or 0.15%, to 1.409 billion in 2023. New births fell 5.7% to 9.02 million and the birth rate was a record low 6.39 births per 1,000 people, down from a rate of 6.77 births in 2022.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-population-drops-...


> that the manufacturing is disappearing

Manufacturing is not disappearing in China yet. Or at least not skilled manufacturing.

Any deindustrialization that is happening is in the low margins space like Textiles, plastic crap, and the likes, which have begun moving to Vietnam, Bangladesh and India - but that was always going to happen. There's a reason why those textile factories in Tijuana or Ciudad Juarez in the 1980s shut down by the early 2000s.

For higher value intermediate parts, the manufacturing base continues to exist in China, but is now competing at the same price point as an OEM in Thailand, Mexico, Poland, Romania, Russia before the war, etc.


This is going to speed up the export decline from China to US.

In 2023, among key trading partners, exports to the U.S. led the decline, down 13% from the previous year.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Trade/China-s-annual-exports...


You have it half correct. It's more like Chinese cannot afford to have more kids. There's a reason, as China got poorer the last 3 years, the birthrate dropped sharply

China Tries To Censor Data About Nearly 1 Billion People in Poverty

In his article for the business outlet Yicai, Li cited data from a 2021 research paper by the China Institute of Income Distribution at Beijing Normal University, which placed the number of people living on less than 2,000 yuan ($300) a month at 964 million, or nearly 70 percent of the population.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-article-censorship-1-billion-...


lol, spoken like a mouthpiece for Chinese or Russia dictatorship brainwashing media. These are democratic allies that have allied against invading dictatorships.

No chance in hell China and Russia wins here, against such a formidable alliance. They will merely slowly fade away in the global economy, into obscurity.


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lol, sorry but Taiwan and Ukraine are both countries that don't deserve to be attacked.

Self-sufficiency for China is important because when it attacks it will isolate itself in ways worse than Russia. The massive gamble Xi is about to take won't give his youth jobs, but might put them in a very bloody war.


Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, and more didn't deserve to be attacked, and yet they were, along with many other nations that have been attacked because the USA thought they deserved it.

Anyway, just because you don't think Ukraine and Taiwan deserve to be attacked doesn't make it objectively true. It's just the opinion you have been given.


You can compare Taiwan to Iraq and Syria all you want - it's comedy.


None of the civilian populations deserved the bombs or bullets. Your formulation makes it sound like the truth about everything is relative. Which is, in my opinion (oh how ironic), bullshit.

Superpower USA (and its little brother Europe) was walking around as a big economic gorilla, and many countries may not like them, or hate them, but quietly tolerated them because, hey, money, economy, well-being. A possible future might be China and its little brother Russia the one swinging its dick around, and other countries having to quietly tolerate them, because hey, money, economy, well-being.

As someone who's not been fucked by American/European imperialistic hypocrisy, I think China and Russian imperialistic hypocrisy would be worse, but hey, another opinion.


Thanks for sharing your opinions.


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