I flagged it because it is an article written to promote further bias, while under the guise of 'exposing racism'. If you think promoting race politics is the goal of HN, I will find a different forum. My time in SV could not have been more different than what this boased article proports. Fuck identity politics and fuck bloomberg, and fuck you for promoting this drivel.
> It's not race politics or gender politics. It's simply a fact of life for people who aren't white males.
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What I find interesting among the woke crowd (white leftys): they believe any claim a black person makes - especially when it is "their experience." They don't question what that person says - because they are black. It is particularly interesting that the education system is actively teaching our youth - especially black youth - that racism is prevalent today. Teaching young people that they are hated by others (albeit whites) simply because of their skin color (without evidence to the claim) is the reason why we have a race war - not because "the majority whites are keeping blacks down/killing them/etc."
There is zero evidence supporting the claim that racism is prevalent - widespread in the US in 2020. None. Zip. Zero. Racism is not the majority. It is amazing to me that people are getting duped into this race war... all at the benefit of the powerful and political elite.
If the official accepted punshments are brutal and not humane, why does the manner capture matter? Singapore has no voice in this matter until it learns what human rights entail.
Sucks to be them I guess? But group activities have already been encouraged, by the nyt no less, even recently. Seems odd to talk from both sides of ones mouth so very, very loudly.
Honestly, if most "advanced" users turn off the features that Google uses to gather data to improve UX, it's strong signal UX isn't important enough to "advanced" users for Google to optimize for it.
It doesn't matter if .1% of users turn off their telemetry, their use case wasn't going to be optimized for either way. In fact the Google employees themselves are part of that .1%, they don't need the data to tell them what's important to advanced users.
Automatic metrics are only one tool in a toolbox that includes focus testing and design aesthetic.
But if a whole subset of users exclude themselves from that tool, they're going to get the UX that's only as good as the other tools in the toolbox are capable of building.
Definitely, and it continues to exist after as well.
But telemetry gives web developers an extremely simple and convenient tool to know what users are actually doing without even inconveniencing the users with explicit questions. I've done web development with a good telemetry set built into a page, and it is extremely informative regarding how users actually use the tool, as opposed to how the UX designers have predicted flow through the tool will be.
To give a concrete example, a user might tell you that configuring permissions is "hard," and sitting with them during over the shoulder testing (which is expensive) might tell you a little bit about why. But without even asking the user, page telemetry can tell you that they are making a transition jump from the permissions configuration page to the page listing all of the resource names, because that's what's slowing them down---the UI didn't give them enough information to configure the resources because we assumed they knew what the resources were named.
For a browser, anonymized usage stats can tell you whether most users keep all their bookmarks flat at the top of the bookmark bar or deeply nested in multiple subfolders, and that's usually valuable for deciding whether you want to emphasize a flat bar or folder management in the design.
If most power users disable automatic anonymous telemetry and also use deeply-listed folders, no one should be surprised if deeply nested folders doesn't get better.
Yeah, invading people's privacy always makes things easier for everyone else, doesn't it? Doesn't mean people who care about it don't want or deserve quality...
"Deserve" is complicated. To a first approximation that ignores a lot of details... What have they done to "deserve" it? They didn't buy it. They aren't making the process of figuring out what they want particularly easy.
People who don't show up to vote also "deserve" a good government by virtue of being people who have to live in a governed society. It's harder to make one for them if the system for selecting leaders is missing their input, regardless of what they deserve.
Popping out of the government analogy and back to software, power users are also in a position where they are more capable of adjusting their experience to suit their needs. All things being equal, a company with finite resources to develop software should dedicate those resources to assisting the non-power users more often than power users.
While you argue your case, that one has to vocalise if one wants something, well, you are still ignoring the basic want of not having your privacy violated and the fact that you can vocalise something willfully, without it being spied away from you. I'm also extremely suspicious of the suggestion that this is something only power users would want.
You can certainly vocalize something willfully. But the people who don't have to do any vocalization at all and are generating megabytes to gigabytes of data on how the application is used by their mere use of it are going to always have a default stronger voice than people who bother to show up on message boards to voice specific concerns.
I actually agree that if you are willing to ignore privacy concerns and a potentially large part of your userbase, then you can simply send megabytes to gigabytes of telemetry and pretend that is the best you could have done and that you have the best data. I'm simply saying that's not a good idea.
> a) It's not a large part of the user base who switches off telemetry and they have the telemetry to know that
So you're claiming that it is typical for software with telemetry support to ignore your choice and still send telemetry about you turning off telemetry? That sounds wrong, but I cannot say I investigated this deeply.
> b) for being "not a good idea", it's pretty much industry standard now for everything from business software to video games.
As I understood the discussion, we were in fact discussing whether this is a good idea and whether it makes sense, so I think it's fair game to comment on it. As for it being an industry standard, that sounds like an overgeneralization. It is certainly not typical of software I use.
> So you're claiming that it is typical for software with telemetry support to ignore your choice and still send telemetry about you turning off telemetry? That sounds wrong, but I cannot say I investigated this deeply.
No; I'm saying missing data leaves holes that can be measured. They know, for example, how many people have downloaded Chrome and how many daily Chrome users they get at google.com (because Chrome will still send a valid UA string if it has telemetry turned off). They can estimate how many users have telemetry turned off from those signals to a pretty decent degree of accuracy; certainly enough to know whether telemetry is telling them about 90% of users of 30%.
For (b), I'm curious what software you use. It's pretty standard in games, online apps, and business software. It's absent in a lot of open-source (mostly because a lot of open-source lacks a centralized vendor who would be willing to pay the cost to collect and interpret that data to improve the software).
Is Chrome's telemetry so invasive that it reports about all URLs visited? Otherwise I don't see how daily Chrome visitors on google.com would be helpful in this estimate.
I avoid online apps, I don't play a lot of games (and if I do, they're not big titles which are likely to have telemetry) and yes, I primarily use FOSS.
> (mostly because a lot of open-source lacks a centralized vendor who would be willing to pay the cost to collect and interpret that data to improve the software).
This is almost surely an element of it, but I think a respect for privacy and a general distaste for telemetry among FOSS users are more important.
Missing data leaves its own wake. Google has numbers to extrapolate how many turn off usage reporting. They lack automated signal in how the users use the tools.
Why is this flagged? This is a very interesting bug. I would love to see a post mortem on how such things happen behind the scenes. Are there relly too many morons busy pushing ideologies in the comments to actually explore this?
Yes, unfortunately the thread is a combination of (1) people jumping indignantly to the extremely unlikely conclusion that Google is censoring Churchill, and (2) people arguing angrily about Churchill and (you guessed it) Hitler. Curiosity might have a faint chance against one or the other of those but not both at the same time, so I don't think it makes sense to turn off the flags.
If more substantial information comes up about why this was happening, it might be possible to have a curious discussion. The vast majority of the time, these things turn out not to have been intentional or anything close to sinister. Internet users just like to assume otherwise because it's more outrageous and more fun.
I dont ecen know where to begin. So much of this is alightly incorrect its maddening. As someone who has setup race motorcycles please look elsewhere for correct terms and physics.
Yes it does. The creators also maintained that code, and the other intellectual property, by expabding on it with source and csgo. While I am nobody to poopoo piracy, this is a piss poor justification.
