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You have to judge it client by client though. Some are amenable to and grateful for a flatly stated analysis and recommendation, even if it goes against their ideas. Some will feel belittled and undermined. You need both sorts to pay their invoices and refer their peers, so you pick your battles.

> Some will feel belittled and undermined.

This has always frustrated me. You wouldn't go to a doctor, hear that you need an appendix removed, and feel "belittled and undermined"!

The 'problem' (it's a problem from my pov) is that clients simply think they know better when it comes to digital/computer/online stuff. They're used to browsing the web, so they think they know what a good website is. They know how to write a letter in MS Word, so they think they can write good web copy. Etc.


> You wouldn't go to a doctor, hear that you need an appendix removed, and feel "belittled and undermined"!

It happens more than you'd think, even in the HN comment section! Go to any thread where the topic is medical or diseases. Plenty of people distrust their doctor and advocate going to the doctor with your own crackpot theory you "researched" on WebMD. There's a huge anti-credential streak, even here. A lot of people see professional service providers of all kinds as "mere gatekeeping implementors of my own ideas" rather than experts in the field.


A lot of it is internal politics. As a consultant, you see the tip of the iceberg. There may be rational reasons for seemingly irrational decisions that you're not privy to. Your contact's boss wants it done some particular way, so your contact insists on doing it that way. Or your contact has recommended doing it some way internally, and they don't want to be made to look a fool by an outside consultant. Etc.

That’s the topic of this classic post (Beans and Noses, by Jared Spool): https://archive.uie.com/brainsparks/2011/07/08/beans-and-nos...

There’s a site that collects stories about experiences like this. It used to be called Clients From Hell, but got absorbed into a bigger site, called Not Always Right[0]. I suspect some of the stories are apocryphal, but it can be entertaining.

[0] https://notalwaysright.com/


> This has always frustrated me. You wouldn't go to a doctor, hear that you need an appendix removed, and feel "belittled and undermined"!

Many people absolutely do. Hell, look at the number of people who refused to take a safe and effective vaccine during a pandemic!

> The 'problem' (it's a problem from my pov) is that clients simply think they know better when it comes to digital/computer/online stuff.

I must also say there is definitely a reasonable point to challenge your doctor. While they're an expert, they're still human. As a software engineer, I expect my non-expert colleagues to challenge me, and I've come up with better ideas as a result.

As a real-life example, I'm currently trying to get treatment for my Morton's neuroma (foot-nerve issue). The orthopaedic consultant wants to do a neurectomy but I want to investigate alternatives before taking the leap. Why? The alternatives, while they may not work, won't make things appreciable worse, whereas a neurectomy has a 3-6 month recovery if it goes well and can't really be undone if it goes wrong.


That and people who want to use it to make porn.


In content intended for an audience of developers, it's reasonable to assume "special developer access" means access for special developers. If the audience is the general public, it would be sensible to interpret it as "special access for developers," in contrast to the normal sort of access most other people use.


Yeah and Wired could just write it in a clear way so that no disambiguation or head scratching is needed.


It's very difficult to build a growing economy when you have mass unskilled immigration combined with free healthcare and a generous welfare system.


Growth is much easier with mass immigration than mass emigration, regardless of if those crossing either direction are skilled or unskilled.

And the UK welfare system isn't all that good. I'm a landlord, and at one point a letting agency told me they refuse to deal with anyone on the welfare system because it's simply too difficult to actually get the council, who are supposed to pay, to actually pay. The necessity for food banks is another big hint that the government system isn't covering basics.

And the UK healthcare system has for a while now only been free to UK permanent lawful residents and a handful of others: https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-englan...

(As in: migrants will be asked to prove entitlement, it won't be assumed).

If you moved to the UK for work, you're paying twice for the NHS, because not only is it supposed to be covered by national insurance contributions, but there's also an NHS immigrant surcharge: https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/how-mu...


Immigrants can't claim welfare, beyond the tiny asylum seeker payment, and the healthcare system is dependent on immigration for staff.


States such as California were allowing them access to Medi-cal, their version of medicaid. Many get free housing- NYC entered into a $980 million dollar contract to house people in hotels.

Federally, no, they aren't getting assistance, but it's all a slush fund as money flows back and forth between local and the federal governments anyway.


California also has, like, the 4th highest GDP in the world. Take complaints about their money mis-management with a grain of salt - of course people from economically failed states like Louisiana and Tennessee are going to tell you California has all these problems. PS - I live in the South.


The US guarantees ER health services regardless of citizenship or ability to pay. They also get free public education (with all the burdens of being non-english speaking).

They pay taxes (in Texas) through gas, property and sales taxes which fund much of the state.

Yes, immigrants are a critical component of several industries like healthcare.

Legal permanent residency/work visas should be easier for skilled workers who want to work in high demand jobs. And all wealthy nations should be more wary of unlimited, unchecked economic migration by poorer populations.

(IOW it's complicated)

I think social media is at least as big a cultural weapon against us, and if I had to choose between deport/imprison a small number of business and political leaders who abuse that weapon or four million undocumented US residents, I would choose the former.


I'm confused, I thought this was about the UK, and the US only got brought up in the sense of people wanting to copy them?


If going on tangents is a problem, start with the person I was responding to.

My comment on social media as the #1 catalyst of societal disassembly applies to the UK as well as the US.


What tangent? pjc50 was responding fairly directly to points in the comment he replied to. Who was in turn replying directly to his comment. Which was a direct reply to the next parent up. Which was expressing surprise to immigration being present at all in a root level response to a story about UK use of VPNs.


Veen made a comment about US ICE suggesting that political positions limiting immigration are a backdoor to human rights violations as a matter of fact, and suggesting that immigration has nothing to do with the push for more surveillance.

My comment was responding to that and to pjc50's reply.


Veen did not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44712342

Veen was in reply to pjc50, who also did not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44712105 — "they've seen US ICE snatch squads and internment camps and decide that they want some of that here."

("here" can be read as either being "the UK" or "all places outside the USA", but the one place it can't be read as is "the US" because the US already has that).


Total benefit in dollar value for a typical illegal immigrant in Los Angeles with a wife and three children

-------- Cash-like income

• CA Earned Income Tax Credit (CalEITC) 2,400 ‑ 3 qualifying kids and earned income around $20 k → ~$2 000 CA + $400 YCTC add-on.

• Young Child Tax Credit (YCTC) under age 6 $1,080

• County “Breathe” Guaranteed Income Pilot $1,000

• Child Tax Credit (federal, kids=U.S. citizens) $6,000

• CalWORKs Stage 1 child-care voucher (parent copay $0) $8,500

• Los Angeles County General Relief (“GR”, undocumented adult) $2,348/yr 221 × 12 ≈ $2 650; actual monthly household max 2 adults = $442 (LAC DPSS 2023 schedule). Family with kids rarely gets full GR cash, so book 50 % = $2 348.

-------- Food

• CalFresh for 3 citizen kids $8,940

Max allotment for 3 children household = $780 / mo × 12.

Housing-subsidy value (Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher)

• Local Payment Standard (3-br in Central LA, 2024) 28,640 FMR $2 655 / mo × 12. Actual voucher covers 26 600 after utility allowance; market-value differential is tax-free.

-------- Medical care (only the kids qualify under “Restricted Medi-Cal”):

• Children’s Medi-Cal (MC+) HMO PMPM $3,600 ~ $3 000 capitation + dental + mental health wrapped.

-------- Education / daycare substitutes

• State Preschool slots, 3-4-year-olds (county rate) $8,520 6.5 hrs/day × 180 days × $14.50/hr teacher-cost ≈ $8 520 “value”.

• Title-I supplemental services at public school $1,500

-------- Energy / utility

• LADWP low-income discount (ELECTRIC, $0.11/kWh credit) $720

• SoCalGas CARE discount (≈20 %) $240

-------- Transportation

• LADOT universal student pass (DASH), 3 riders $360

TOTAL ANNUAL BENEFIT VALUE

Cash/benefits truly delivered: $2 400 + 1 080 + 1 000 + 6 000 + 8 500 + 2 348 + 8 940 + 28 640 + 3 600 + 8 520 + 1 500 + 720 + 240 + 360 = $73 848 / year

Market-value package ≈ $74 k rounded.


Immigrants can't claim welfare in the UK. Visas are all "no recourse to public funds".

How does identity verification work for those if you can claim while being undocumented? How do you know the claimants are real at all?


You are 100% correct.

NGOs engage in money laundering ops in the UK to give illegals handouts using a multi-step process to steal taxpayer wealth from Britons.

----

Primary Grantors:

UK government departments (DWP, Home Office, DLUHC)

EU Legacy Funds (2020-2023) via Shared Prosperity Fund

Lottery-funded charities (e.g., National Lottery Community Fund)

--

Key Recipient NGOs: Organizations registered with the Charity Commission targeting "migrant integration," "asylum support," or "poverty alleviation."

NGOs apply for high-value grants (e.g., £500k-£2M). Examples:

"Holistic Integration Project" (Home Office Fund)

"Urban Inclusion Programme" (DWP Social Mobility Grant) Documentation often includes inflated beneficiary counts and ghost project proposals.

----

Fictitious Expenditure Fabrication

--

Shell Vendor Creation:

NGO leadership registers dormant companies (e.g., "Community Outreach Solutions Ltd") as "service providers."

Invoices issued for fake deliverables:

"Cultural Sensitivity Training" (£120/hour)

"Temporary Shelter Management" (£2,500/week)

--

Fund Diversion:

Grants disbursed to shell vendors’ accounts → funds withdrawn as cash via "business expenses" loopholes.

Apparent spending: ~70% declared for "operational costs" despite <15% actual delivery.

Street-Level Handlers: Charitable workers / NGO affiliates directly distribute cash bundles (£50-£200/person).

Cover Mechanisms: Officially declared as "emergency subsistence stipends" (exploiting reporting gaps in small-sum transfers). Physical cash avoids AML scrutiny (<£10,000/transaction).

HMRC estimates £1.2 billion in fraudulent charity fraud annually (2023), with ~25% linked to migration sector schemes.

--

Confirmed Cases:

Refugee Action Leeds (2021): £370k diverted via shell company "Unity Lifeline."

London Sanctuary Network (2022): £890k laundered for cash-in-hand construction workers.

Charity Commission ex post audits detect fraud only after fund exhaustion (~18-month lag).

----

Trusteeship overlaps allow corrupt board members to approve fictitious vendor payments.

Underground Hawala Couriers: Shell vendors remit cash to illicit hawala brokers, who distribute to:

Landlords: Covering rent for illegals in overcrowded slums (£400/month cash).

Employment Fixers: Kickbacks to gangmasters employing illegals.

Direct Cash Distribution Points: Mosques/churches in African neighborhoods (e.g., Peckham, Birmingham) via coded vouchers.

----

AML Evasion:

Cash withdrawals <£10,000/month avoid automated reporting under Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.

Tax gaps: £500 "<essential expense>" cash allowances weekly to illegals bypasses PAYE.

----

Non-existent grant audits through:

Front projects like "Go Green!" and "Ukraine Crisis Aid" masking London-Nigeria hawala flows.

Donation recycling: Public crowdsourced funds diverted into laundering flows.


Is this actually what a typical immigrant is getting, or did you just pull this straight out of your ass? Who is actually getting these benefits to this degree? Do we not understand that it's very difficult to apply for a lot of these and most people don't know how to do it?

Also, elephant in the room: California has the 4th highest GDP in the world. Clearly, what they're doing is working. So well that they provide what, 1.5x more federal dollars than they take?

I mean, Louisiana doesn't provide jack shit to nobody. And how's their economy holding up? Anybody check on them recently? Last I checked, despite providing fuck-all, Louisiana isn't even breaking even with federal dollars, let alone touching California's 1.5x ratio.


Yes, and the impact of poor governance tends to fall disproportionately on the less wealthy, which may be why poor people more often support the authoritarian who promises to give them a better life (regardless of whether those are empty promises).


I just use commas or semi-colons where I would have previously used em dashes. It's annoying to have to adapt to avoid triggering people's faulty AI slop pattern matching, but the alternatives are perfectly fine.


It's more that a human author has had an experience and writes to communicate it to other people. They have objectives that make sense in human contexts. They have learned things, run into issues, solved problems, developed arguments, evolved their understanding, felt emotions, considered and rejected actions, and integrated those recent experiences into a lifetime of experience. Then they order and condense all of that into a form that communicates it effectively to other experiencing beings.

LLMs, in contrast, experience nothing. When they "write", they are not even vaguely approximating what a human writer does.


It solves the author's use case, which the article explains at some length.


Really? To me being conservative means more or less agreeing with the thinking of people like Edmund Burke, Benjamin Disraeli, Michael Oakeshott, Roger Scruton, and so on. None of those would have supported the Democrats in their current state, but nor would they have supported Trumpian populism.


Please reference the specific values you're invoking to make a coherent argument. Referencing people is a setup for a Motte and Bailey and talking past one another. This especially applies when the first two people on that list lived over a century ago, making it so that views that could appropriately be called conservative during their lifetimes are likely reactionary/revanchist in the modern day.


I invite you to read them yourself — or their equivalents from your own country. Conservatives are by nature culturally specific. I'm not trying to persuade anyone of anything. Just giving a counter example to the claim that conservative is synonymous with radical reactionary populism. It is not. Donald Trump is no conservative.


It seems like we're mostly agreeing in a roundabout way. The original context was using the label "hard right" in 2025 and the comment I was responding to equated that with conservative. But if you're "hard right" in 2025 America but still continuing to call yourself a conservative, you're basically abusing the label as a dishonest cover for a radical agenda.

I most certainly understand and respect there are political views that don't map well to the two party system. So with that context the last bit of my original comment is more like if you are actually conservative and trying to express yourself within our current two party system, you're voting Democrat. The whole party most certainly isn't conservative, but there is a large moderating establishment that makes its overall results align much more closely with conservatism than what's currently being offered by the Republicans.


I’m personally a huge fan of Thomas Sowell. To me, he perfectly articulates conservative ideas.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell


That's what happens when lots of very smart people dedicate their working lives to devising schemes and systems that push people towards making bad decisions. There's a lot of money to be made influencing people to act against their own best interests.


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