Yea, it's not like men have a natural preference for tools, liking to repair things, cool toys to carry on the back, or think "why get a mini-cooper when I can get an F-150 to carry my hunting gear, tow the boat". It obviously all culture-imposed gender preferences.
I honestly think desktop notifications in their current form are one of the worst features of the modern web. Sure it's nice to get an email alert but on my experience there's probably a thousand confused old people getting spammed for each person that intentionally enabled it.
What's worse is they look like native OS alerts (on Windows) so when one says "SECURYIRT ALERT!! CALL NOW" it's that much more effective at getting people on the phone with scammers.
So many sites ask for permission to send notifications that have zero reason to do so. Why would I want push notifications from a shopping or news site?
Honestly, push notifications from a news site arguably is one of the few sites that I see having a reason to send push notifications.
Communication platforms; messaging apps (Slack, Discord etc); email sites (gmail and co.) also make sense. Financial platforms (banks, Stripe etc)
Once you start getting out of these two categories, then yeah, it gets silly. No way should an airline website even be allowed to ask to send push notifications.
If I trusted airlines to only send me notifications about gate changes, failed payments, delayed flights, maaaybe low prices on route-date combinations I previously expressed interest in, I'd give them notification permissions. I definitely don't trust them to do that, though.
See, that's just the point. You see a need for that. I'd never enable push notifications from a news site, I don't need to know NOW that some pupil shot 17 teachers and pupils in the elementary school around the corner. There is nothing I could do anyway. I'm extremely unlikely to enable notifications from async messaging because, you know, they are async. If it's urgent, come over to my desk or use your phone to call me.
Financial data or travel info is something I'm actively watching, when I travel, just like car traffic. Otherwise, why would I need to know? That's a good question to ask anyway anytime you come across an inbox. I have been in management really long now and designing your information flow strategically is crucial to being effective.
The native apps for my phone aren't really reliable enough at letting me know about delays or gate changes, I don't expect a web push notification to be any better at something that's already untrustworthy, especially on a system that lacks a cellular modem to stay online all the time. Even if they did work perfectly and could be trusted to serve that purpose, no company would only send status updates about your flight in the long term, they're unable to restrain themselves and will view it as an advertising avenue just like they do with phone apps.
My guess is it would be just as (un)reliable as an app.
Many airlines now more or less force you to install their bespoke apps, which could have just as well been websites, just to board their planes. I'm less than happy to install them.
We still have eMail in place. If they don't want to spend money on an SMS they can send an eMail.
If browser notification permissions would have a TTL, I'd might considering it. But until this happens I won't allow anyone to send me browser notifications. And even then I'd be very picky.
Emails have essentially become notifications anyway. All my emails are things like "your booking has been confirmed", "your package has been shipped", "your invoice is ready for download", "a login from a new device happened", "your flight is delayed", etc.
> I would prefer to know about a delayed flight before I get to the airport.
Generally, the recommendation is that you get to the airport at least two hours before your flight departs. Ideally, you shouldn't be rushing to try to get your plane.
Granted, the world has changed since that was first a recommendation, but even in today's connected world, it's still a good idea to get there two hours before departure, in my experience.
> Generally, the recommendation is that you get to the airport at least two hours before your flight departs.
A lot of delays are known much earlier than that. For example if a flight gets seriously delayed taking off and the plane is going to turn round and return, then the return flight will be delayed.
In any case, once at the airport delays will be announced and shown on screens. Once you get there you do not need phone notifications.
What do you mean nothing else is universal? I can't book a flight without a phone number and an email address, and they usually send emails. My phone is set to do notifications when I get one of those. Why is this solution bad? Any network situation that causes both SMS and email to fail certainly isn't going to magically deliver a push notification from a browser.
Same reason you subscribe to their newsletters. To get discounts.
I don't understand why people would want that, but neither do I understand the people who actually enter their email address in those "subscribe to my newsletter" popovers.
I feel like the web would be a better place if "allow notifications" popups were only allowed for PWAs the user already installed. I.e. they have to manually interact with the page and then click the prompt acknowledging they want to install the site as an application on their computer before the site can start popping up windows from the browser asking for notification permissions.
It's not that there are 0 use cases where it could possibly be convenient to get notifications from a plain site but, like you said with the email example, 95% of the legitimate use cases are probably better modeled as an app anyways.
It's always saddened me that people failed to understand the web platform, and never more so than today when that platform could be on the verge of extinction.
Young people don't remember this: in the 1990s if a big corporation wanted to make a 1-line change to an application deployed to a fleet of desktops they'd have to update every single machine and to do so they'd probably have to hire at least 1 FTE and probably more for installer engineering and other makework.
With the web it is often
git pull
on the server and you're done!
As it is I can find web sites with search, links from other sites, bookmarks and history. If you "install" applications you just clutter up your desktop with 300 icons for applications you don't really use which makes it hard to find the 2-3 that you really use.
It's progressive because you're progressing the permissions and features the website can access beyond those of a normal page. It has nothing to do with progressing the web to 90s style app installation and the update mechanism is nothing like that either, it functions as a locally cached webpage not as something you need an SCCM push to load a new binary or something. PWAs do not have to be accessed through desktop icons either - just launch them through the browser's interface as you seem to prefer. If you've ever seen a machine with a default Chrome install then it had about a half dozen PWAs installed without any such desktop shortcuts.
The best uses I've gotten out of PWAs are on my Linux machine where there either isn't a native app or I wouldn't trust installing one from the manufacturer if there was. At the same time I don't want random websites to have access to the permissions these apps would need so I load the PWA version of the website and now I've got the ideal island of something served as a website but with the elevated permissions it needs.
Thank you for your reply but to suggest that someone get permanently banned from a website is a bit extreme. I'm just a human being like you trying to help out other humans. The read was very long for me and I thought that adding a summary would help others in a similar situation.
In the comment I explicitly stated it was a summary from ChatGPT so it's not an AI generated comment. Also, the terms of use and guidelines don't talk about AI used in comments.
Sure, but there are already many many people partially or fully disabled by over resting after an injury. The parent comment was hardly calling for running marathons right after a car accident.
We can debate the merits of various drug pricing schemes but at the end of the day, prices are set by a small group of interested actors who want the prices to be as high as they possibly can without causing a violet revolt. So call it what you will but let's not pretend there's some deeper, more important meaning to be sussed out here.
It should be cheaper. No circling the block looking for parking, no space needed at all for that matter. That alone is worth giving taxis/ubers at least a different pricing structure.
Provide evidence. 2012 is pretty late to have been drinking the techno-utopian koolaid but millions of people, and IMO, maybe half of silicon valley tech workers, took this assumption as ground truth.
This breathless article from 2009 [1] (found in 2 seconds by searching "tech will change the world year:2009") is a good example of what most people thought. You can find blog many posts and articles from the time saying basically the same thing. If you forget, back in 2012 people used to tune into Apple's yearly keynote with bated breath in anticipation of what marvelous innovation Apple would grace us with next. An app to replace your therapists? Uber for dogs? Solve poverty and racism? That was the attitude I remember among my peers (college kids and yes, professors too).
Technology has lifted a lot of people out of poverty.
Telemedicine reaching remote villages, drone deliveries of medical supplies, mobile phones giving farmers weather forecasts, and even allowing those farmers to find more competitive buyers for their crops.
Even within the US, for the longest time technology was the only field that was not ruled by elites. Any kid who was smart enough could get their hands on a computer somehow, learn to program, and have a career ahead of them. No medical associating limiting applicants, no elitist law firms, no unions only giving membership cards to children of existing members.
A lot of poor kids in the US, myself included, got lifted up by technology.
“In a locked vehicle, a dark dashboard, steering wheel or seat can often reach temperature ranges of 180 - 200 degrees F, which then warms the air trapped inside a vehicle.” 194F is 90C.
And that’s Florida, other parts of the globe have higher outdoor temperatures which result in higher internal temperatures.
Objects left on the dash of a black vehicle with gray interior get into the 180s (F obviously). I measured because it's where I cure small painted objects in the summer. I live at at a medium northerly latitude.
"London skyscraper can melt cars and set buildings on fire" (Sept. 3, 2013)
London isn't famous for hot weather, but that may change soon, and not because of global warming: The design of a new skyscraper in the city is melting cars and setting buildings on fire....
Only one of several examples. Also the Vdara hotel in the somewhat more probable location of Las Vegas, NV, the Nasher Sculpture Center and Museum Tower, both in Dallas, TX:
