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Huh? Kagi is objectively superior to Google/Bing at this point, to the point that 50k people are willingly paying $10/mo extra for it.

Obviously they don't have the ancillary services (Maps etc), but for just searching, Kagi is far more likely to surface useful results instead of just the highest bidder. Compare a search like "us esta" for a clear demonstration.



>Kagi is objectively superior to Google/Bing at this point

I'm not entirely sure what "objectively superior" is even supposed to mean in the context of a search engine, or how this follows from having 50k users, but that ceases to be an even remotely plausible statement if you've ever attempted to get good non-English search results.


Kagi gives great search results in other languages than English. You might have to select the right region first. Kagi and Google are the only search engines I have tried that gives decent results for other languages than English.


Huh indeed, you're talking about yet another argument, but just as wrong as the previous pivot:

First search result for "us esta" in Google is "https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta", same as in kagi, is that your objectivite fail at coming up with a simple metric?


Are you using an ad blocker or something? For me it's the 11th (!) link on mobile, far below the fold.


Can confirm, official page is first result in Kagi and below the fold in Google for me.


For me on desktop it was 3 giant ads but then the first real link was that one.


Any adverts and the competition is over as far as I’m concerned. I happily pay not to see them.


uBlock Origin is free.


Sure an ad blocker improves the experience somewhat. But I try to keep adversarial relationships out of my life. I don't understand why people want to normalize this.


Only in Firefox or user-friendly browsers, otherwise uBlock Lite is free for Manifest v3 browsers


Both block all Google search ads fully and seamlessly.


but they don't block sponsored/seo-gamed articles, no?


Neither does Kagi, at least fully. Customizations help a bit until you need to search for something outside your usual focus areas. Anyone who claims to have created a search engine that truly surfaces the best links and ignores SEO is lying to you.


That covers half of it, and indeed I do also rely on community and personal block/deranking lists for SEO spam.

Does ublock or ddg etc block sponsored results?


iOS Firefox doesn't support extensions nor does it have proper adblocking.


I don't want to scroll around and decide what is real on every search.


Thanks - I'll try and remember that!


Might be location-dependent. I'm on a trip in Turkey, and the corretct link to US ESTA is the first result. However, if I switch to a VPN to my home, I get garbage for the first 5 results.

I also have my own WTFs with Google, I even started collecting them: https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59


First search result in Google for me is "https://esta.visasyst.com/", second one is "https://evisa.us/application/esta", third one is "https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta".

First one on Kagi is the official US government ESTA website.


What is "objectivite"?


The mineral form of objective; mainly mined in the Rockies but the EU and Australia have large untapped deposits of it.


Oh I see, thank you. Does it react to subjectivite?


Kagi is a meta-search engine, they don't have their own index for the whole Internet (they do for a small subset of it).


Yes, they pay per search when using others, so I guess the best strategy is to court devs, then index tech sites on your own.

Let others handle rarer queries.




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